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I was wonderin a few things. And i knew if anyone could answer me it would be you guys.
1) What would happen if a planet went into civil war? No chaos or outside in fluence but say factions not happy with the current rullers or the a high ranking guard commander who bellieves he is better for the job? But the tithes are still payed and the number of guardsmen are supplied as usuall. Do the =][= just let the planet battle it out or do they orbitly bombard and virus bomb the frag out of it?
2) What are the chance of a Commissar going rougue if he feels he has been thurouly betrayed by the imperium? I know he would soon find himself of the recieving end of a bolt pistol but still what are the chances of it happening and if so under which circumstances?
3)The same as above but and entire Imperial Guard Army?
I really hope (know) you guys can all give me some really good answers so thank you very much in advance
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1. Its highly unlikely they would be able to match all the taxes and things while in a civil war as one of the main targets of the rebels is to stop payment. That way the governor gets executed. However if the Imperium got what it wants then yes they probably would get left alone to fight it out. If any outside armies (marine chapters whatever) had a personal tie with either side they would probably come to help.
2. Well if chaplains can sometimes turn chaotic then commissars have no chance. It would take a very good reason but yes they can become chaotic. They will usually bring down quite a few guardsmen with them.
3. Happens all the time. Its usually called Lost and the Damned but traitor armies using IG rules occurs regularly.
I think I can see some glimpses into what you are going to do with fluff. Looks pretty good.
Wars are expensive. It is unlikely that a planet with a big civil war going could supply its tithes and guard and wage the war.
But even if it somehow managed, the Imperium would probably interviene seeing as how the Governor is appointed by the Imperium. So this rebelious upstart would be squashed for the peace and stability of mankind
A commisar going rouge? Unlikely as they have been schooled from a very young age to follow the Imperial Creed.
As for a Guard army? Turning to chaos is possible or rebeling against the current government might happen, but it really depends on the guard, how they were trained and where they come from.
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1. A planet wide civil war? No way they could keep up with tithes and taxes. The scale of exports the Imperium usually demands of a planet requires just that, the whole planets work force. Or at least a good portion of it. If a civil war is taking place there's no way. The Imperium would step in and restore order. They wouldn't bomb the planet. That IS reserved for chaos influence. And your question involved none.
2. Sure. Well it could happen a lot of ways. He could be actually corrupted by chaos for one. Or he could be one of those rare commissars that cares more for his men than he does for his orders. In which case he could have been ordered on some suicide mission. Or he could just have some incompetent commander that almost got him and his men killed, or he ran away with his tail between his legs. Etc... Emperor knows, the Imperium is full of incompetence...
3. Sure. For a variety of reasons.
Are you trying to write fluff where in some kind of rebellion happens without major Imperial influence? If so, that's easy. There are many reasons that this could happen. The world could be way on the outskirts of the Imperium. In which case it could take years for a message to be received if the planet has primitive tech to send it with. Or help could just be slow in coming. The Imperium could send help after years if there is something more important going on, if the planet in question isn't that important, if they feel the governor should handle it, if other planets are being invaded by chaos, or aliens, etc. Or the people starting the civil war could be really capable and as their first course of action they could have disabled the planets long range communication equipment. So the Imperium really has no idea whats going on.
There are many ways to write fluff like this. Just think about it. And be creative.
1.) Yeah, rebellions are quite common in the Imperium. Especialy on Hive Worlds. Most of the time these rebellions are squashed by the Plantary Defense Force (PDF) and the Arbites.
2.) Commisars goign haywire arn't to common I guess, but it can happen (Gaunt in the Gaunt's Ghosts-novels, for example, is a Commisar on the border I would say. Not borderline-crazy, but very unorthodox in his ways.).
3.) Guard-armies can also go rouge. Not to common, but it happens. It can be a commander or governor with no faith in the Imperial cause and decides to found his own empire (assuring his soldiers that they are fighting for the 'right' cause) or something similar.
Well for #1 I was just going by Nightbringer. Can't remember the planets name but it had failed to pay and everything and NO-ONE intervened at all until things got out of hand with dark eldar and necrons and whatnot. An ordinary civil war in an inconvenient location could just be ignored.
And it is possible your planet could still be paying the tithes even in a civil war. Its unlikely but there are reasons so don't let it ruin your fluff. Maybe they have been hoarding resources? maybe they are receing outside help? maybe they have been lying to the Imperium as to how rich they are?
Commissars turning chaotic can't be that rare. Space Marines are far more loyal and they turn all the time so theres no way any guardsmen equivalent ('cept inquisition) can call themselves completely safe.
Ok thant you for all your help. iw as thinking in the way of being able to pay the tithe and whatnot, that both sides would agree to pay thier part in order for them to be able to fight ou their war maybe? But the both side try to screw eachother over, pretending the other side did it.
As for the Commissar going rougue, i ment rougue. Not Chaotic. As he goes rebellious or the like for one reason or another
Thanks for you again. I was actually going for a planetary civil war with things like
A group of marines shows up to try to stop it and the rebels trick the marines into thinking the other side have fallen to chaos. Then when the marines have helped them they probably shoot the hell outta them
Its just the idea of guardsman fighting guardsman is so cool. I mean this way the guardsmen actually stand a chance in CC.
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That sounds good. Its not hard to get someone accused of being chaotic, just plant an icon in the governors room and the marines will blow the hell out of everyone in sight.
It's spelt rogue by the way. But yes if he felt the Inquisition/marines were hindering his ability to serve the emperor he would just ignore them and do what he thinks is best (even if it involves attacking them).
When you write up some fluff on it be sure to post it here. I'd like to see it.
See but that's the key. Civil war is fine. They could pay tithes. But not a planet wide war. As I said, when the Imperium levels planet wide (theres that key word again) tithes, it takes the entire planet cooperating to do it (or at least the majority or professional parts of the planet). People engaged in warfare are not going to cooperate to the extent needed to meet Imperial tithes/taxes. If they were to do so, then it's not really a war then is it? If your looking for a way to make your planet's war not be noticed by the Imperium see my last post.
as the lost and the damned have no commisars, but you can have marines, you can take a guess at how rare the commisar would be to go to chaos. remember, marines have a childhood to get other ideas besides the Imperial way of thinking while commisars are virtually trained from birth at a schola. marines arent necessarily the most loyal things ever.
they fall rather frequently given the grand scheme of things. they have more to deal with, pride being the main thing knowing they are the best of humanity and still ultimately answering to mear humans who come now and then to check up on them.