Adeptus Mechanicus Army

[cheese58]

I'm thinking of building an Adeptus Mechanicus army, but instead of using the normal guard, using Space Marines. The reason is I really love the red, black and white colouring, but also the Mechanicus symbol. I plan to replicate this on all the shoulder pads using Minus T's guide.

Anyway, my question is, is this feasible fluff wise? Do the Adeptus Mechanicus have a standing army? Does it include any Space Marines? Would they ever leave Mars, and if so, why?

If the answer to all the questions is no, then would it be feasible to have a chapter who loved machinery and the Machine God, but didn't neccesarily come from Mars? Kinda like the Iron Hands? I don't really know much about this area of the Imperium so any help would be appreciated!

[artificer]

The Adeptus Mechanicus don't EXACTLY have a standing army, but do have an armed component, the Skittarii (sp).

as always wiki's not a bad place to start.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adeptus_Mechanicus


I'd also recommend following the thread below, as Forge World is in the process of creating an AM force for Imperial Armour Vol 6. And this thread tracks the rumors related to same.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63437


Marines wouldn't be the best choice of soldiers without MAJOR conversion work (heads, shoulder guards, weapons, general 'techno-ness' that needs adding).

good luck.

[The_Giant_Mantis]

It's my opinion that, from what is written about Skitarii, they're basically guardsmen with a few extra bits and access to better weapons and gear. Trying to proxy them as marines doesn't work as well as proxying guard.

As for the Adeptus Mechanicus standing army, it's not really an army in the traditional sense. The AM command the Titan legions, and their conventional troops like skitarii and cataphracts (basically leman russ units) only really act offensively in support of the Titans. Still, each titan is probably worth an army in its own right, so their military might is still quite impressive.

Nope, they don't have space marines. No imperial authority outside of the Adeptus Astrates itself can command a space marine. They're an entirely seperate command structure, and don't have to listen to or even cooperate with conventional forces.

Basically, if you want a technological chapter which has bought heavily into mechanicus theory, the Iron Hands (or a chapter based on them) are the way to go. I saw a great iron hands army using the red colour scheme.

Red is the mechanicus sacred colour.. the other colours you mentioned are just cooincidental.

[Sitnam]

Actually, they have a adeptus type army on one of the non-US/UK GW websites. Some sort of small campaign against Tyranids. I wish I could find the link, but they had good shots of what a adeptus army would look like. Also, found these, thought they may come of interest. Also, if your good at converting, you could always take ogres and convert them to be these guys.

[Kerinst]

I thought about this several times and have come to one conclusion based off all the fluff you read about the AM... I am not ready to build a second Necron army ...

What would make SM so hard to do? I think that SM with necron pieces mixed in would make a realistic idea of an AM warhost...still use SM helmets for the most part but the fully armored body of a marine could hide anything underneath and adding a small control panel looking device here or there would be very AMish. Advanced weapons, advanced armor, and metal to replace any lost flesh, either after it was lost or before it had a chance to be wounded, would be all a person really need do for an Omnissiah worshipping branch of marines.

I think I would start with a good hard look at the iron hands and decide which pieces of gear fit most to a technology coveting group. Personally I would think that dreadnaughts would be more often in the army, tanks over devastators for support, and probably a good group of landspeeders, remember these are rare fast attack because the technology that keeps them aloft is so hard to keep repaired, makes them perfect for the AM.

[artificer]

if you read the book "Crossfire" and the 1st of the Soul Drinkers books, you'll get a pretty decent description of the AM, and with the SD book, the armed Skittarii in action. They AREN'T marines, not even close. They are regular humans that are augmented. Cadians with mods would be a better bet, or even use these as a starting point for your conversions.






Marines are in full plate. The Skittarii are not, they are much more like the Cadian stormtroopers, in a carapace, but NOT power armour.

[The_Giant_Mantis]

Yeah.. the rules for titan legions are available as an experimental in epic. Skitarii aren't marines, they're guardsmen with beefier weapons and carapace armour.

I wouldn't have thought of using the forgeworld chaos conversions but.. woah.. well spotted. Those would make an awesome starting point. Just add all over robes with green stuff and you're done..

Note the tenuous use of the word 'just' there.. that's still a lot of work.

But if you want AM marines.. check out this iron hands army.

http://uk.games-workshop.com/spacema...nhands-army/1/

I love the devastator squad.. beautiful.

[The_Ghost]

Simply put GW handles Skiratrii like THIS. That is the only force which the Mechanicus oficialy have direct control over.

However all space marine forces are originally created on Mars by duplicating one perfect sample of gene-seed in a succession of clone hosts. It is unreasonable to assume that the kind of Ruthless Brutal individual who could become Fabricator General would not take the opportunity to have their own personal Chapter or even Legion. however its existence would be a complete secret and they in nowise would be sanctioned by the rest of the Imperium. You would have a 'death before dishonor' type of doctrine where the greatest sin is to be taken alive.

Most likely they would use Dark Angels Gene-seed as no oficial post heresy foundings have ocured and they must have a huge backlog by now.

[NiteRabbit]

Originally Posted by The_Ghost

Most likely they would use Dark Angels Gene-seed as no oficial post heresy foundings have ocured and they must have a huge backlog by now.

Hmm... So you're saying that the 21st "Cursed Founding" never really happened? All sarcasm aside, there have been many, many subsequent foundings of new Chapters over the 10,000 years that the Imperium has existed. Mainly Chapters are created for a specific purpose, mainly related to guarding a specific sector or area of space. Since the creation of a Chapter can only be sanctioned by a consensus amongst the High Lords of Terra, it is highly unlikely that even a very powerful individual would be able to have one created, especially if it is specifically for his own use. Remember - the Codex Astartes was created to de-centralise power within the Imperium so that no one like Horus could ever rise again.

[The_Ghost]

You miss understood my statement.

Of course there have been subsequent founding, we wouldn’t even know what a “founding” was if there hadn’t, but none of the chapters have been of Dark Angels stock. Said so in the 3rd ed SM codex.

Im not talking about “Sanctioned” quite the opposite really. Only the Mechanicus have the ability to unilaterally create a chapter of space marines. Even then total secrecy would be mandatory if the project was to succeed. Be a little more carful in your reading of the text next time.