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Well, I've finally built a solid foundation of fluff for my Chapter. Problem is, I don't know what to do along the lines, and there's another thing I'm going to do...
I want them to be arabian.
Arabian, arabic, Middle-eastern, however you choose to say it.
So, I ask, what battle honours should I include/exclude? Names? Tactics (yes, I may even change these... unlikely, but possible), also, any folklore worthy of mention?
If it's not too much, can I get links to script translations, styles, artwork, and/or anything else, too?
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Very cool. Kudos on originality. heh heh.
Here are some name resources:
Arabic some of the most beautiful caligraphy in the world to boot:
characters like that would look incredible on a banner. I don't think i've seen anyone use arabic on their banners yet.
The modellig opportunities with scarfs and cloaks is great. Like Tallarn except with power armour underneath.
Pictures are mandatory.
I'll poke Xerxes if I see him online, he knows the most about arabic history and culture out of anyone I know.
I think the big thing is to decide what culture you're basing it off, as this will influence the style. A Persian inspired chapter (perhaps based on the Immortals) would be awesome, if nothing else, because they used so much distinctive and powerful iconography and poetic imagery (Hmm.. this gives me ideas.) But I'm guessing you'll want to lean more towards a more recent, Islamic middle eastern feel.
Initially.. I thought the idea of scarves and power armour would look wierd, but now I think about it, it might work pretty well.. Give it a try.
The idea of caligraphy on banners is also a great one, as I understand it, islamic culture avoids pictoral representation, so some kind of caligraphic phrase would be far more suitable than an image or icon. Also, if you're careful, you could use the GW 'squiggly line' effect to create the illusion of text inscribed on their armour.
Otherwise, unless you want to go Persian, I'm afraid I probably can't help much.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; January 7th, 2007 at 15:50.
To echo what karmoon said, it sounds very cool. I too like the idea of cloaked and hooded marines.
I'm assuming they're based on a desert planet. So I imagine they'd be used to travelling long distances over treacherous terrain. When you look at arabian soldiers they very rarely (if ever) use armour, so I think scouts would be your troops. They took a lot of pride in their horsemanship so I'd throw in some bikers, landspeeders would work as well. Tanks are simply out of the question, one sand trap and they'd be lost forever.
Along with the names and caligraphy that Karmoon posted I reckon that'd portray them quite well.
"You challenge me knowing that I am Xiahou Dun!?"
Space marines on camels!
It must be done!
While not technically Arabic in nature, the corsairs that raided Europe from Northern Africa were, at points, privateers affiliated with the Ottoman Empire so there is a possibility that you could do a privateer Space Marine Chapter. I know I would (in fact, I had such an idea on my mind but I'm a bit too busy at the moment). Such privateers were often religiously as well as politically motivated and many were in fact Catholic Europeans who were abducted and forcibly converted Islam. Go-go irrelevant trivia!
Persian! Persian! Persian! Persian! Persian! Persian! Persian! Persian! Persian!
Get which group I'm after now, Mantis?
The modern Islamic stuff is too stigmatised, and with the way the wes'ts going, I probably should refrain from them. Persian rules though. I'll be onto that.
Thanks Karmoon, for the links. You're a Life-saver.
I'm no GS whiz, nor do I actually have any right now. So the hoods & scarves are out for now. Maybe for vets.
The colour cheme of Enchanted Blue, Midnight Blue, & Silver will remain, as will the traits, whch are:
Trust your Battle Brothers
Heed the Wisdom of the Ancients
Eye to Eye
We Stand Alone
I do use scouts. They are a principle unit for me.
Thanks for the feedback! So much in so little time!
But what would a good appropriated term for Captain, Chapter Master (known as 'The Father'), Librarian, & Chaplain. I want a complete revamp fluff-wise from the latin, gothic, whatever.
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Haha.. I was hoping you'd say that. I think Persians are more interesting, myself.
You may want to consider basing in on the Immortals, as they were probably the most space mariney force of the time. In fact, the name was actually a nickname coined by the Greeks in reference to the fact that they were always kept at exactly 10,000 men, with a 1000 strong veteran unit. Most later persian armies were cavalry based, so aren't quite so mariney.
The Immortals were the Persian Royal guards and by the standards of the time, were well armoured infantry. Their signature weapons were a spear, a short sword and a bow. The standard immortal tactic, according to wikipedia at least, was a frontal charge with the rear ranks using their bows to fire over the heads of their advancing comrades.
I think Trust Your Battle Brothers would be a great doctrine here, as it would allow you to recreate some of this flexibility.. Plus, a few simple hand swaps and you could have spear armed marines.. which would look really interesting.
The one problem is that we don't know very much about the immortals at all.. The greeks burned the persian libraries when Alexander the Great conquered them, so most of the accounts we have are Greek. I don't think anyone knows what their command structure or titles were. However, the guy in command of the Immortals during the Persian wars was called Hydarnes.
As for banners, chapter symbols and stuff.. the most well known persian symbol is the Faravahar.. Often it was just a winged disc, the guy in the middle is an elaboration. Noone actually knows what it meant, though modern Zoroastrianism still uses it, but it was possibly a icon representing Ahura Mazda (the primary Zoroastrian deity) or the Persian King.
With a bit of filing and a green stuff disc, you could easily convert an Imperial eagle into one of these.
Ooh.. and if you were feeling up to some modelling, you could give them facemasks. This wouldn't really be historically accurate, but later era persian superheavy cavalry often wore facemasks, and the trailer for the film '300' shows the Immortals wearing masks.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; January 8th, 2007 at 06:50.
I know my source isn't good, and i hope people don't think I'm advertising here. I reccomend you rent The Prince of Persia games, both Sands of Time, but especially Warrior Within. With warrior within, the video clips are filled with things like warfare involving Persians, and even a scene of running through Persia its self. This should give you a feel for their weapon looks, warfare style, and background.
Now if only you could make a model spinning on a pole and chopping the heads off of your enemies
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The hooded idea sounds awsome and there are plenty of hooded models you could use with all the dark angel/fallen angel models. I like the idea of using them as veterans. The Fallen Angel special character is a great hooded model Cypher I think his name is, I have always wanted to use his model. I had also read somewhere that space marine skin changes shade based on the temperature, it was in a White Dwarf article about all the physical changes/enhancements a marine goes though. If you could find that it would be cool to incorperate based on the hot desert planet they are from. Sounds awesome, I want to see pictures.
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