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Yeah this isn't a very -Army Oriented- question but more of a general Chaos Space Marine question, so if it doesn't go here feel free to move it whoever Moderator is reading this ^^
Alright, I was just curious as to one thing. (I'm new by the way so please don't decapitate me for my ignorance ^^; ) The Chaos Space Marines lead great Unholy Crusades to planets in order to win favour with the either a specific diety, or the undivided pantheon right? Well... I was just wondering what exactly happens when they do manage to take over a whole planet. Usually, if it's an Imperium-Owned Planet there's Imperial Guardsmen defending it, let's say they fail and well Chaos takes over. What happens to the civilian population? To the whole economy of the place?
This might be a real -it's a game don't think about it as in realistic terms- but I can't help wondering. Does the population convert to Chaos Worship? Or do they just get slaughtered? How does that work exactly? ^^; Sorry again if I'm being too curious, it shows that I'm new to this doesn't it?
As far as I'm aware, the population will either subvert themselves to the will of Chaos, be sacrificed or be brutalised.
Chaos = anarchy.. so once a world falls totally to Chaos I imagine that the economy, society infrastructure will totally go down the pan.
There's lots of fluff references to various Chaos champions distilling the bodies of entire planets for 1 bottle of special cologne (or something).
On the flip side, certain Legions are more out for themselves than Chaos, like the Alpha Legion or Red Corsairs.
These Legions may seek to recruit new members from subjugated planets or use them as slaves to build their machines of war.
It's strange with Chaos as the heroic thread brought to light. Chaos is a strange mix of total anarchy and intensley intelligent and organised plotting.
What happens to the planet might also be determined by the nature of the Dark Crusade too. If the objective is for a Lord to attain apotheosis, then I imagine the outlook looks pretty bleak for the populace as they're sacrificed and desicrated most horribly.
What about a Chaos Lord who wants to forge an empire? Would it be possible that some sort of endoctrination program begins to forge loyal minds from the members of the populace? Because whilst the Demonic-bit in Chaos which like you said is all chaotic and anarchic, there'a also the organized part. Would it thus make more sense for the planet's resources to all be geared for war in such an instance? Mines used for the production of weapons, industries making tanks and the like? To me it just seems like it would make that much more sense to 'convert' the planet, rather than destroy it. Thanks for your answer btw ^.^
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Once the planet is converted to Chaos worship - real Chaos worship - the minds and souls of its inhabitants are pretty much forfeit. So the Chaos Lord in power can do whatever he really wants with the remaining bodies - build ships, cannon fodder (Cultists) pleasure slaves, experiment subjects, whatever. But it's definitely not a permanent deal, and it's sustained entirely by the Chaos Powers - a Nurgle sorceror, for example, has servants who don't need to eat, sleep, or breath. This becomes enormously valuable in terms of the economy, since you no longer need to waste resources on silly things like agriculture and accommodation. You can just have them stand still when they're not being "used."
If that Chaos power was suddenly removed (i.e. the Sorceror in charge is assassinated) the entire system falls apart. People just fall dead in the streets of conquered hives, walk around listlessly, hit metal surfaces with hammers for no real reason. Then when the Imperium comes in to defeat the leaderless hordes of mindless walking bodies, he's going to Exterminatus the place regardless.
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Anarchy is one form of chaos. I think Tzeentch would have some words against anarchy being the only form, however.
It's kind of interesting when you look at the computer simulated images of chaos patterns. They are very organized and progress along a constant regress. What makes chaos so predictable is that there no infinite constants, and that the randomization and unpredictability is exactly the same in every complete system in the universe that has so far been examined. In other words, we see the same, constant patterns of unpredictability in every complete system, whether our bodies, the earth, our galaxy or the universe. It is precisely this constant randomization (which is indeed predictable) that allows us to know with virtual 100% accuracy the unpredictability of chaos. Kind of interesting I think.
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Fantastic post Rabbit.
With Chaos, the possibilities are endless. Both in terms of fluff, modelling, and in many ways our army as well.
That's what makes it so fun i guess.
That's interesting stuff, but when you say that the people's minds and souls are forfeit, do you mean they truly become mindless drones, or is there still sentience? For instance, it's clear that Chaos is evil, and as a form of 'government' it would be tyranical and authoritarian, but would it's inhabitants have any sense of freedom, or would they be subject to every aspect of their lives being controled by Chaos?
I don't suppose children would still be sent to school, or that school would even exist except maybe in a form of religious indoctrination or personality-cult by the Chaos Lord or CSM of equal ranking. -
Again not necessarily, Tezentch is all about the knowledge and most likely would not only make school mandatory but the consequences of failure much more harsh. Thats in many ways what chaos is all about, its everything else, just more extreme. Sickness, Lust for power, Psychosis, Kinky Sex, all taken to the Nth degree.
For example, world controlled by Nurgle. Take a look at real world Africa, most stable form of employment, Coffin Maker. Everyones infected, everyone is dieing, the best jobs are all related to death.
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That makes a lot of sense Ghost! Hmm... seeing as I haven't bought any Chaos Space Marines yet, I might just have a read about Tzeentch and what he's all about.