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Like most of my fluff questions, this one comes from the actual playing of the game.
I've found my Reconcilers (Loyalist Space Marines) repeatedly come into conflict with the Dark Angels, and more worryingly Grey Knights, due to the composition of player armies where I play.
The Reconciler's chapter according to their fluff, is strongly associated with the Ordo hereticus, so much so in fact they have a constant Inquisitorial Oversight assigned to their battlegroups.
Now with that in mind, how do I explain from a fluffy perspective how I keep smacking right into the bright shiny boys of the Ordo Malleus without getting myself denounced as Extremis Diabolos or Excommunicate?
Also, in general, does the Malleus try to brainwipe Hereticus members (particularly SoBs) who encounter demonic entities? Do they brainwipe their own stormtroopers?
A simple explination is that there is difference in opionion on the type of threat the two see. Perhaps your Marines and thier oversight see heresy on the surface, while the Malleus senses a deeper evil in that a Demon is present, causing the heresy. Call it a fight over jurisdiction(although Malleus from what I have gathered generally can overide everyone else). Yes the malleus brainwipes thier stormtroopers, makes 'em less effected by the stuff they encounter. As far as the SoB's, I don't really think they would briainwipe them since there is good chance they have encountered demonic forces before. The conflicts with the Dark Angels is EASY. The Dark Angels hunt thier "fallen" (hereticts), and to do so they generally will go through any means necissary to find them, and keep that knowledge from the Imperium in general. So... if they have to kill your marines to keep thier secret, and possibly get thier hands on one or more of the fallen, then by all means they will.
Battlesuits, putting the BS in BullS*%t.
I would say that it's entirely likely that SoBs get mindscrubbed, as it is done (although this is going on 2nd edition fluff) to space marine chapters as well. In fact, this could be where the conflict lies. The Malleus deem them too dangerous to be let out into the world given the horrors they've witnesses, while the Reconcilers and their Hereticus masters want to keep their memories.
The feedback's been helpful, but I'm still wondering about my initial question.
Determining why a given force is pounding on me is easy. Its the consequences that are a bit tougher.
IE: The grey knights and their malleus pals might think my chapter and my girls have seen too much, potentially corrupted, and so on, but how does that play into them not getting branded with the whole Extremis Diabolos, Excommunicate label for messing with Malleus affairs.
I keep forseeing a situation like...
GK Ordo Malleus Inquisitor Lord: I declare you all heretics!
Reconciler allied Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor Lord: No, I declare YOU a heretic!
With much fighting ensuing. The only problem is that following the initial hurly-burly, what happens to loser?
Does any chapter that has the misfortune of encountering the 666th chapter on an opposing end of the battlefield, and winning end up on the s***list of the Adeptus Terra?
Goofy question perhaps, but would there be situations where the Inquisition as a whole would attempt to, for lack of a better word, reconcile the two to avoid 'losing' a chapter?
In other words. Does the Inquisition recognize that two Imperial forces might end up running headlong into one another both with the best of intentions?
I ask because the Malleus and the 666th chapter are rather important and secretive, and I worry for my marines (even if from a combat stand point, my Reconcilers and the GKs regularly 'tie' in our engagements) due to the GK's obvious level of importance in the Inquisition. I do imagine misunderstandings must occasionally happen, without massive pogroms following them.
As a side note, I do assume that the Hereticus oversight would do its best to shove any mention of the 666th down the memory hole for their own good in any situation.
Some may question your right to kill ten billion people, those who understand realise you have no right to let them live.Claims of innocence merely waste my timeThe Inquisition are generally of a "better safe than sorry" mindset. There's a line to the effect of "It is better that a thousand innocents die than one kneels to the dæmon". As much as space marines are slightly more important, I can't see the Inquisition in general taking a huge amount of concern over it. Individual inquisitors who know the circumstances yes (in which case it's down to personalities), but not the organisation as a whole.Innocence proves nothing
Alot of this also can boil down to the faction the Inquisitor may identify with...
Recongregators may view this as the time for change, and would not give a second thought to destruction of a chapter, if it meant that changes were going to take place. On the other hand, a Thorian could try to save the chapter, in case one of the Space Marines is a blood relative of Sebastian Thor, or may be a Divine Vessel. ( these are a little farfetched I'd agree, but still legitimate reasons).
I agree with Xerxes, the Inquisition is a very large organisation as a whole, so, they can't devote all their energies into the hope of keeping a chapter alive. Besides, if one is destroyed, you can always make another chapter.
"It is better that a thousand innocents die standing than one heretic kneels to a daemon."
Or like to that effect, preserving some elements that I learned in English Language and Composition and promptly forgot. The point is that the Inquisition is a big, cold-blooded load of individuals with an agenda that rarely forgives the trespasses of others. Reconciliation with those even associated with heresy would be... heresy.