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I was wondering what your opinions or if anybody can point me to fluff that discusses there Thousand Sons, Specifically:
Do The Sorcerors of the Thousand Sons attempt to convert grunt marines to their Legion? I know they look for strong psykers to add to their cabals, but do they have uses for non rubricked marines?
What happens to a rubricked marine that has fallen in battle? Does his mind rest in his helmet? Does he slowly pull himself back together? Are there cultists that come and get the remains?
Just curious on your opinions..
i'm sure some sorcerers do try to convert marines, otherwise the chaos marines would soon run out of soldiers.
i don't think his mind "rests" in his helmet, it's not like he inhabets his armour like smoke in a bottle, if holes are shot in his armour he doesn't just decompress out of the hole.
Good questions tho, i haven't seen any fluff anywhere which details about this, all my comments above are simply conjunctre and opnions.
OK then, what holds his consciousness in place... is it a specific piece of the armor or maybe the armor as a whole... if you remove his arm he doesn't fall apart... but if you remove the helmet from the armor he does?
I myself picture his Soul being trapped within the armor, probably the helmet in my thinking, which brings up another question if I am correct in thinking this. If you put on the Helmet of a Thousand Son, can he possess your body?
like the warp, he is everwhere, yet concentrated in his armour, the way i see it you shouldn't look at his armour and his spirit as 2 seperate things, they're the same!
so damage the armour, damage his spirit. this also means that a psyker could banish the spirit from the armour and the armour would crumble... this means he isn't in 1 place in his armour, the armour IS his spirit. You may see something when you cut a hole in the armour (a blue mist if you will) but the mist won't escape.
Once again simply my view on the matter, not in any way, shape or form related to fluff.
Try reading Space Wolf and Grey Hunter. The first features Rubric Marines and a Sorcerer, and the second has actual physically resurrected Thousand Sons (which is a bit iffy).
The Sorcerer and the Rubrics do seem to be made up of poisonous smoke, which leaks out when the armour is damaged, but is not completely released until quite significant damage is done.
Bear in mind, the books are Black Library, so are going to differ from GW fluff.
That's what i sometimes feel dissapointed about, a clever metaphysical concept about disembodied souls in power armor and then GW (or blacklibrary) goes and reduces it to "toxic smoke that leaks". (The Sorcerer and the Rubrics do seem to be made up of poisonous smoke
I never pictured them as smoke that releases slowly... but I do picture them trapped to the armor in some way... being everywhere while in the Warp is just fine... but they need to be focused when they leave the warp, and I thought the Rubric made them immortal unless I am just adding my own thoughts there, so unless their armor returns to the warp after they are cut down in our realm then somebody has to go pick the pieces up
well, if you die, your soul goes to the warp, right? well, if a rubix cube is damaged enough his soul will do the same: return to the warp.
I be;ieve his armour would be clear of the earlier inhabitant then, but still higly tainted by chaos (eg. anyone putting it on will mutate or something else nasty will happen)
@Kerinst. If it helps, try to think of Rubric Marines as sort of like Necrons, minus the self-repairing. Their souls were bonded to their armor, the armor was made magically self-propelling and their (now unecessary) bodies were disintegrated. The souls, unfortunately were also badly damaged, making Rubric Marines little more than automata. The same thing basically happened with the Necrons, albeit over seventy million years earlier...and minus the magic.
If a Rubric Marine is damaged, it can be repaired, just like a Machine. If the armor is completely destroyed, the soul is pulled back into the Warp, where it can drift, be eaten by other warp creatures, or be used by a Sorceror for some insidious purpose.
In the case of Madox in the Space Wolves books, he had probably bound his soul to something elsewhere, like a Lich with a phylactery. If his body is destroyed, his soul survives so he can effect his own resurrection.
WHFB: Dwarfs || WH40k: Imperial Fists, Necrons || WM/H: Trollbloods || BFG: Necrons
OK so with mindless automata it would be in the interest of the thousand sons to recruit unrubricked marines as new squad leaders so there was somebody who could do the thinking of the unit... of course that would mean they had to have some psychic presence. But having unrubricked units of marines with or without psychic ability would be nice just because you could send them off to do things and not have to guide every detail of their actions then.