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This one comes from a real life argument I had.
Basically, how crazy is too crazy, for the Imperium.
My Reconcilers are a bunch of masochistic, nigh suicidal, fatalistic maniacs when it comes to certain situations, rejoicing when they see their fellows get exploded, and laughing joyously at the thought of being immolated, perforated or defenstrated in the service of the Emperor.
The Blood Angels are similar, insofar as the blood rage and such.
I had some folks attempting to tell me at a game shop (not staff mind) that my Reconcilers would have been declared Excommunicate Traitoris a while ago (despite their perpetual Ordo Hereticus overwatch, apparently), because 'The high lords wouldn't tolerate that sort of power commanded by a lunatic.'
My thought on the subject is that you can get away with a lot so long as you're loyal (He's a murderous genocidal maniac, but he's OUR genocidal maniac). The opposing viewpoint is that the Imperium doesn't invest anyone besides a rational mind with command of important military forces.
I might not be representing the opposing viewpoint correctly since I think my Reconciler's are a-ok (obviously) but I'd still like to hear thoughts and feedback.
Last edited by Spook2k5; April 18th, 2007 at 17:17.
From what you discribe they seem perfectly in line with the Imperiums methods to me.
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The Imperium is a vast place some Inquisitors and other Imperial officials would take a dim view of your Chapter others would think they were a bunch of liberal pansies.
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i'm more concerned with this: how are you going to maintain a chapter if everyone is behaving like this?
seems to me, one battle *Nraaaaaaaaaagh!* boom, bang, bof: no more reconcilers
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HeZu has a point; they wouldn't do too well as a functioning chapter, as they wouldn't care to harvest the geneseed. They can see sacrifice as a good thing, and rejoice in it, but not to the point of disregarding the basics of being an SM. The extent that you describe seems to be a bit beyond what would ensure the chapter's survival.
Beyond that, it seems fine. I'm sure there would be some inquisitors that would be uneasy at their joyous attitude to death and killing, but there would be some that are equally sure that it's a good thing.
The chapter's ethos is 'Through death absolution.'
But they make it clear that it isn't just the given marine's death that absolves him.
The chapter does take spectacular losses, fairly regularly, which ties in with one of those suspicious mysteries I think all chapters should have. Namely, indeed, as you ask, how can a chapter of marines who suffers the level of casualties regularly suffered by the Reconciler's continue to function. Admittedly they do make use of their honored near-dead by plugging them into their ships as a sort of dreadnought.
They do have an acceleration process for their marine inductment rituals, which is a contributing factor to their insanity.
Plus possibly untrue rumors of genoheresy, 'lower standards' for recruits, over-recruitment, significant divergance from the codex astartes (which they basically consider worthless because it was written by good ole Roboute (long story)), most of these rumors are why they have the Inquisitorial Overwatch I mentioned earlier, in the form of three Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors, attached Sororitas and other assorted -=I=- goodness, on permanent constant assignment dwelling with the chapter on its starships.
But having someone think they should be declared Excommunicate Traitorus because they're 'nuts' is something different.
Well, they could tie in their joy at death as something else, making it thoroughly suspicous that they're so happy to die for the cause (is it some form of sacrifice to something othe than the Emperor?).
As far as the High Lords unseating the chapter master, it's not possible for them just to demand that he goes, or even to appoint him once the initial master from another chapter has passed away. Chapters are autonomous, and need to be shown to be bad before action can realistically be taken. The Inquisition can take umbridge at it, but that's a different matter. It will mean that some inquisitors may well declare them Excommunicate Traitoris or even Extremis Diabolus because they suspect that the deaths are a form of sacrifical worship to something bad, but that's the only leverage that they can have.
Edited for stupidity.
Last edited by hotspike18; April 19th, 2007 at 13:52.
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