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I have just recently got back into 40k and Chaos. I have been doing research all day into the background of Chaos and all factors surrounding them. When i used to collect Chaos my knowledge on the fluff was moderate, i am now eager to expand my knowledge.
I understand that every emotion anyone experiences in the material world leaves an imprint in the Warp, thus, creating the Warp. One thing i dont understand though, is why the Warp is such a bad place due to the emotions anger, hate, hope, optimism and despair. I know how they have created the gods that they have, but what happened to the emotion happyness?
They weren't wiped out entirely, its just that the constant state of warfare and the animosity between the races has just caused the Warp to swirl out of control.
It's dangerous due to the nature of the warp. The daemons will tear out the soul of the poor being that ends up in it.
The general consensus in previous threads is that the Kitten God never stood a chance against the Big Four.
On a more serious note, negative emotions are generally more common and stronger than positive ones, that being the basic nature of most every race in 40k. "There is only war," after all. The sheer amount of emotion created/released in a typical battle is much more than that produced during, say, a good opera. Therefore, evil and violent emotions have the strong upper hand in the Warp.
I've heard rumors here and there that there is a 'good' spot in the Warp where the more wholesome warp creatures, some Eldar god and/or The Emperor Himself are gathering strength for an assault on the embodiments of pure evil...but don't expect to see it, as that war would be the endgame for 40k.
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There are tons of things like that in 40k. The death and rebirth of the Emperor being the biggest, followed by the waking of the Dragon C'tan.
As for the question at hand: Hatred, spite, anger, despair, etc are the strongest and most common feelings. Love, happiness, hope, etc. those aren't experianced nearly as often, in real life and in 40k. People tend to live in a pit of the worst emotions and then just feel the light of things like love and happiness every once-in-a-while. It's sad. Like at my work, people claim I'm too happy for my job, just because I tend to push all my passive feelings into bliss, which is why people claim I cheer them up. But yeah, people tend to push everyone else around or down and step on everyone elses toes, this creates despair in everyone, those being trodden on as well as those who believe this is the only way they can go about their life.
But, then again, I'm just angsty and jaded.
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I would have replied to this but I would just be repeating what Intrepid and Archonofdeath said. Good job guys, REP.
PS: I would also like to add that there is a warp god of all the 'good' emotions, the Immortal Emperor.
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The Emperor isn't precisely the god of happiness though, he's better described as a god of order, if anything.
Self-control, dedication, honor, self-sacrifice, etc.
The Emperor is likely despised so vehemently by the powers of the warp because he represents an ordering, calming force within it. The eldar gods, while similar, lacked what one could say was a 'meatier' appreciation of certain things, whereas the Emperor has quite a lot that appeals on a strong, deep level to the emotions (and the brains) of his followers.
That is to say, the eldar gods failed because they weren't 'visceral' enough. They had high minded ideals that were no longer held. The Emperor however appeals to thinks like pride, and the desire to forcibly establish order and protect no matter what (he's the mother bear god in a way.)
The Emperor, additionally, seems to have a 'mitigating' effect on the various chaos god's domains.
Khorne: He establishes FIRM purpose behind all killing. Kill the xeno. Purge the unclean. Etc. There is no such thing as killing for fun with the Emperor. It all has to serve some true purpose and makes it clear that such activities should make one feel as if he has fullfilled his duty.
Tzeentch & Nurgle: The Emperor seeks to avoid unnecessary, reckless growth and instead focuses on a pragmatic approach. Not change for change's sake, but change for valid causes. A well controlled change. Eccesiarchy slogans aside, the Emperor himself seems at all time to be carefully measuring out how to control the advancement of mankind, so they do not fester in entropy, nor charge ahead recklessly.
Slaneesh: The imperium is nothing if not dour. Slaneesh finds her 'power pool' flouted by the Emperor focusing his followers on self-sacrifice and more 'results oriented' approaches to things. Despair an illusion of the mind, pain an illusion of the body, and so on.
Just a few random thoughts.
There are many other Chaos gods out there.
But non of them are as powerfull as the big four.
The big four represents emotions which are often and strongly experienced by living things. Except, they're purified and stripped of all context. It's just the emotion which makes them twisted and hard to understand.
For example, the desire to hurt someone who's harmed your family. In the real world, there is a rational reason and arguable even justification for wanting to hurt the other person. But in the warp, Khorne thrives off only the anger and the desire for blood.
heh.. Just my opinion though.
So.. maybe there IS a chaos god which represents the pure desire of wanting to do good and nice things for people. But... how rare is that pure emotion compared to the desire to destroy?
But if i am correct, none of the other Gods have a chance against the Chaos Gods, the majority of the Eldar Gods got wiped out by Slaanesh, only The Laughing God and Kaela Mensha Khaine still exist for Eldar, Khaine got battered by Slaanesh...
The Emperor, if you want to call him a God, is also broken.
The C'tan are all in hibernation...Or so i have heard...Another thing i have heard is that The Laughing God is in fact The Deciever...
All just things i have heard, please correct me if i am mistaken. I am all up for learning! :yes:
Well, two of the C'tan are up and about and probably break dancing as we speak.
I think there's a difference between the laughing god and the jackal.
Isn't the Jackal the Deceiver and the Laughing god the Eldar diety of physical theatre and pretense?
Yes the Jackal is the Deciever and the Laughing God is the Harlie God, but i have heard on the grapevine that the Deciever is the Laughing God just under a different name, playing tricks as usual.
Back to the emotion situation, i dont want to sounds too corny, but cant love be the most powerful emotion at times? Obviously not in the world of 40k!