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I have just read the first two chapters of Horus Rising. Its a great book, but there are some things i think i have missed.
The Lunar Wolves are assaulting a city trying to find this "false emperor". They seek revenge for the murder of the 4th companies captain. They fight against the Invisibles then they find an old man. The old man requests to speak to the commander, being "Horus"? They kill the old man then walk towards the throne, they all get knocked back by a psychic blast, they see a smouldering, skeletal corpse smiling, they then meet a God who is...Horus himself?
I am lost and in desperate need for info as i do not understand what the hell is going on.
Apart from that, the book is awesome!
This may also be posted in the wrong area, i was unsure where to put it!. Please move it if necessary. Thanks!
Last edited by Too_3asy; May 8th, 2007 at 11:35.
Spoilers! Don’t want, don’t read!
Haha, I think everyone reading Horus Rising starts out by going ‘wtf, mate?!’ after that first part. Don’t worry, there’s a perfectly logical explanation which will become apparent as you continue the book. However, to ease your mind, I shall provide you with a
briefverbose and rambling explanation:
The whole book takes place well before the Horus Heresy, so Horus has not actually killed THE Emperor. In the first chapter the main character, Loken, is having a flashback to a fight he experienced in the past. However, we don’t know for sure that it’s a flashback until the beginning of the second chapter, in which we find out he has met the remembrancer Mersadie Oliton and is actually telling her the story – the reader realises that the whole first chapter was actually narrated by Loken himself in third-person perspective. He then finishes the story – with another flashback – in the second chapter.
The story Loken tells is of how his Chapter defeated a seditionist human empire refusing to accept subservience to the Emperor of Mankind. The original human settlers founding this empire had named their new home planet ‘Terra’ in honour of their origins, and the leader of the empire became their ‘emperor’ – who is of course not THE Emperor, only a completely ordinary human emperor.
The Luna Wolves Legion under command of Horus has been sent to pacify lost settlements of humans around the galaxy and convince them to join the growing Imperium of Man under the Emperor (yes, THE Emperor). However, when this particular little empire refuses to do so, Horus decides to take control by force. His Space Marines make their way to the throne room of the human emperor and find an old man, whom they mistake for the local leader since the throne appears empty. However, the old man is a decoy attempting to lure the commander of the Luna Wolves close enough to set off a trap that will kill him, while the real leader of the seditionist human empire is actually sitting on the throne, concealed by invisibility technology. When the old man is killed, the human emperor sets off the trap, catching everyone by surprise. Then Horus teleports himself into the throne room and shoots the seditionist emperor (he’s the skeletal on the throne, having been consumed by his own weapon), saving Loken, who is naturally gratified and in awe of the superhuman, god-like abilities of his Primarch. End of story.
The trick to these first two chapters is to set up the unsuspecting characters for the literary tool known as ‘irony of fate’. Loken and his fellow Space Marines take great fun in telling this story of how Horus slew ‘the emperor’, secure in the knowledge that Horus would of course never strike at the real Emperor, to whom he is completely loyal – while we as readers of course know what the characters cannot, that this will actually come to happen in the characters’ future. This is the irony of fate.
Hope that helped make sense of things.
Last edited by Grephaun; May 8th, 2007 at 12:17.
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Ahh thanks alot Greph!
That is exactly what i thought had happened, as they had just put a call out for Horus to meet this "Emperor". I thought he would eventually turn up and pwn everything.
Yes, the bit about killing the Emperor is great, as you have said they believe that Horus would never attack the real Emperor, but we know that this will eventually happen. Another bit saying that the only thing that can defeat an Astartes warrior in combat is another Astartes, oh the irony!
Thanks for the help! Confirming my thoughts! Big reppage for you, even though you dont really need it! :yes:
You know, they should put that as an insert in every copy of the book. I mean, I came to the same conclusion, but it took me a while. Care to explain the later scene with *SPOILER _ DO NOT READ UNLESS YOU DON"T MIND SPOILERS!!!!* when Horus has the visions and with the tanks and all? (Sorry, trying to be somewhat discreet). Nice job.
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They more or less explain what his visions mean, and what they don't explain isn't too hard to figure out.
1) The tanks scene: Horus and his brothers believed that they were chosen somehow, that fate made them to be the emperor's children. This scene showed him that they were actually created by the emperor, who used his own gene-seed to create them, but they were sucked into what I guess you could call a "warp-storm" and thrown to the far reaches of the galaxy, where the Emperor would find them again years later.
2) The scene with the statues: You didn't ask about this one...but this was actually just Erebus playing on Horus' pride and growing insecurities. All of the Primarchs were honored in statues...except Horus. Horus, the son on whom the Emperor had laid the greatest burden, was forgotten. This particular scene is where I think the author failed most in showing Horus' downfall. Horus had no reason to trust Erebus. As a matter of fact, he had every reason to NOT trust him, a proven traitor. And yet he believed this particular scene that Erebus showed him.
Last edited by Khisanth Magus; May 8th, 2007 at 21:02.
Some of you might find it better to use the spoiler tags for some of those posts...
Actually Kisanth, the vision with the tanks was to show that the Emperor stood by as his sons were taken away from him by the warp storm; to Horus it appeared as though the Emperor wanted this to happen to them because the Emperor had had the chance to do soemthing but did not.
The statues were not so much Erebus playing with Horus; it was really to show Horus the fate he and some of his brothers faced in the future. Remember the statue did not feature all of the primarchs, only the loyalist primarchs. (Since that vision was a vision of the future Horus would cause by the actions he did take but was lead to believe that was the future if he did nothing.) Those not featured in the statue were already the primarchs and legions whom had done the most for the imperium at the time but had recieved so little in recognition for their efforts. (Many of them being berated for some of those actions as Alpharius, Magnus, and Lorgar had been while Primarchs like Perturbo, Angron, and Mortorion were all but ignored despite all they had done.)
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Can never be sure if a board has a spoiler tag...since I hadn't seen one used on here, I figured there wasn't one.
Anyways, I stand corrected on Horus's visions. It has been a while since I read False Gods. I still think that the book, especially Horus's fall, was badly done.
I am new to 40k. I have not begun playing yet, for a number of reasons. But I have been reading every book I can find, I got the movie, and I watch every video I can find.(Some of which are REMARKABLE, and some are... not so remarkable? Remarkable in a different way? I'll just leave it there.)
The point is this: I'm still new to the story lines, and I am listening to Horus Rising in one of those "Text To Speech," w/the machine generated voice. Which have, to be honest, gotten MUCH BETTER.(But being BETTER than a kick in the crotch with golf shoes say's what? I'm kidding.) In fact, the first book I read/listened to, was Space Wolves, and the text to speech program it was in was HORRIBLE: "Still, Rag....-narcou ld not rec....agnize!" ALL THE WAY THROUGH! So Horus Rising is WAY better.
But it's STILL difficult to understand, and I was listening to the first 3 chapters OVER & OVER! At one point I said to myself, "Self, just keep going and maybe that will help." But I couldn't do it, and I was PULLING MY HAIR OUT! "Is this the civil war ALREADY? They killed Horus's homies already? They SAID IT WAS TERRA & The Emperor, right?"
AAAArrrrrggghhhhh! So THANK YOU!