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I am going to start to put together a diarama and need to know a bit of background about the men who support the Astartes. The scene is this.....On a busy launch bay on Dorns flag ship Sisamond (or however you spell his name) is taking his oath to uphold the imperiam infront of Dorn. Down either side of the kneeling first capain will be his squad in rank. Behind Dorn will be a thunderhalk with crew refueling and rearming and doing the last minuet checks. However who would do these checks or rearm? Would it be servitors tech priests (not sure if they existed back then) or the Mechanicus (with the thunderhalk being a new toy for the Astartes to play with). Anyone know or have any ideas??????
I would say the people doing matimence checks and such would be Servitors, Techmarines, or just the Marine thunderhawk crews themselves. the fluff police might give a definitive answer though.
It's implied that a lot of the menial work around a chaper's base is done by serfs, which are either indentured workers from the locals, or space marines that didn't make the cut. I THINK that the ground based vehrciles are pioleted by marines, but things like the thunderhawks have semi-humans behind the wheel.
Would this have been the case during the Heracy? Also I am pretty sure thunderhalks were piloted by marines as the pilot models by forgeworld are marines.
Well, marines seemed to be a dime for several thousand at that point, so it may or may not have changed. The GK's definetly have non-GK's pioleting their flying craft.
It would seem to be a terrible waste of a marines physical potential by having them doing something like pioleting, reflexes or no.
Thats what I was thinking I could never see why the served as tank crews either as its not as if their armour is only able to be driven by them the IG used to use it
No, they drive their own tanks. That's why they have BS4 and not BS2 for an AI or BS3 for a serf.
Marines are the perfect warriors, so they have to be expected to know how to drive, pilot, steer and ride any sort of vehicle conceivable into battle so that, should the situation ever call for them to pilot an Mars-Pattern Sentinel, they know which buttons to press. And although it isn't represented at all in the rules, a Marine's significantly advanced (re: godlike) reflexes and ability to multiprocess battlefield information is invaluable to the art of piloting spacecraft. If anyone's ever met an actual jet pilot, you should know they have to fulfill dozens of seemingly arbitrary physical criteria and also be able to roughly calculate complex mathematical equations whilst in flight just to keep themselves from flipping over.
Besides, it only takes like three people to pilot a Thunderhawk (pilot, wing gunner, cannon gunner) and there's thirty Marines inside the ship itself...so would you rather have thirty marines and three servitors, risking the deaths of all thirty, or would you have thirty-three marines, get all thirty onto the ground, and then have a ship that could probably do more damage by itself than those three Marines could on foot?
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Good point, I think I might have the 3 crew members overseeing the servitors refuling and rearming a bit like how pilots today sometimes check their craft over even though someone has already done it (not that Marines would need reasurance)
Well, during the Heresy, the Space Marine Legions and the Imperial Guard (they weren't called that back then, though) were all under the command of the Primarchs so the ships would have been crewed by ordinary humans as these tasks were beneath the Space Marines of that era. Some high ranking captains would have people attached to them as squires or servants but this slowly changed over the years of the Great Crusade. As for combat vehicles, I believe they were piloted by the Marines themselves, whereas drop pods are controlled by a servitor slaved to the pod. The Black Library books are a bit contradictory on the subject of Thunderhawks as in the Space Wolf books, they are piloted by the Marines themselves while in Ben Counter's Grey Knights series, they are piloted by specially-trained serfs who have their identities erased through mind-scrubbing by the Inquisition. These serfs also pilot the Inquisitions' ships. Personally, I really think it makes more sense for Space Marines to fly Thunderhawks.