[PICS] Orks vs Tyranids - Oct 10th 2009

[The Prince of Excess]

You make a list against every opponent. Like, oh you have Orks? Let me grab my all HB IG. Oh you're playing Marines? Let me grab my 3 Russ list.

He doesn't do it exactly that way, close but that's basically what it is in a nutshell.

[antique_nova]

aaaa. i have to admit i used to do it like that, well not anywhere near as bad, since i didn't have many models.
thanks
antique_nova

[pilot00]

Originally Posted by The Prince of Excess

That's cool, play your way. My advice wasn't aimed at you because that's not how you play, you just like to have fun win or lose it seems. I'm totally fine with that, as I said.

As for tournaments, why wouldn't you bring a crushing list? It does seem odd to enter a tournament and not have the goal of winning and winning starts with a strong army. I can't wrap my head around what you're saying in that particular instance, I don't have it in me. :]

Please don't confuse all my rantings for rage posting either. I love to debate and am very opinionated but I don't get mad or hateful if things don't go my way. Just don't want it coming across like I'm breaking lamps and crap while I'm posting. :]

Ill paraphrase one of the dark eldar quotes of the homunculus from the dark eldar cinematic when you attack Lacunae in w40k soulstorm.

Win or loose we always return richer in experience and moments of fun!

[jy2]

Great battle report as usual. Hope you don't mind if I borrow the format of your batrep for some of my future reports as well. Oh...and thanks for the help with uploading/posting pics on my batrep. +rep.

Honestly, I multi-list also. I play very similar to Akaiyou as I have quite a large collection. As a matter of fact, I normally just leave my 4 armies (or at least the parts that I use on a regular basis...and 1 fantasy army as well) in my trunk every time I go to my local hobby store and then I rotate them. One day I'll play my marines, the next my daemonhunters, then guards or nids. I also got chaos marines and witchhunters but I don't normally play them and so don't bring them.

On any given day, I can play whichever I feel like, but lately I've been letting my opponent choose who they want to play against (unless it's a store campaign). "So you wanna play against DH?....ok, how many Land Raider's do you want to take on..." or "so you wanna play my nids?...ok, wanna play against a horde or my nidzilla?....so you want to go up against the best, then do you want to go against 5 monstrous creatures or 7?", etc. I usually keep multiple lists for some flexibility, but they're not normally geared towards any particular army in general. Then I let my opponent decide who they want to face. No matter which list they pick, it won't be an easy battle for them as all my lists are quite competitive (at least I try to be...but that's probably not always the case as on occassions I do get defeated badly, though not often).

[Akaiyou]

Originally Posted by antique_nova

hmm mutli-list? anyway.

here's a word of advice to you Akaiyou, Prince Of Ecxess never lets down a debate and he's one of the few players that i have met that are experienced to say that they don;t have to change. but change is a good thing, he might have missed a few points or something in his list, but that it very very rare.

i am sure he doens't need me to fight his battles and debates, but i thought i might just let you know in advance from my experience ^^.

From my experience, i think the list that copy and pastes like the nobz squads spam in your list, kinda boring and it's abit too one minded in your list that more of the same is beautiful.
To me, i find using the same list that i feel is as compettive as i can make it is better than using lists that spam units until it becomes literally a copy and paste list.

I have tried copy and paste lists before just to try them out and they do two things and two things only. win spectacularly or fail spectacularly. their really isn't much fun using the same units again and again for one turn, when there are so many other units to use from the codex.

1. Find opponent
2. Pick out which list I want to play versus said opponent or roll a D6 to decide which list I play. i don't do that, well i used to but stopped doing it very quickly, because i wanted a list that could be as competitive as possible and i would know how good that i really was at 40k on the board and have some reliable results for one lists not multiple lists.
- If opponent asks me what i'm playing BEFORE making his army list then I will choose a list that's best suited to deal with his army IMO. i just usually tell them, and i don't really meet such people, but i usually stick with my list or make quick adjustments like switch a land raider for 2 vindicators in 1000-1500 games. if they want to have lists made specifically made against me, i just think hell and most of the time i play with what i wanted to play before they even asked me.
- If opponent is not the kind that wants to ask me what i'm using so he can custom-tailor his list, then I will do the same as I never ask what i'm up against. So i'll just choose one list from the many i have with me at the time. i like using one lists that is successful and competitive, but i do use a variety for friendly games or fun games with mates, who specifically don't want to face competitive lists, but just fun lists, that may fall under the category of a copy and paste list.
3. We set up terrain. Depending on the opponent I will try to set my share of terrain in a way that benefits the current list i'm playing. Though as of late i've been caring very little for terrain arrangements, as the games have been more enjoyable when I super strategise a plan. i used to do that, but i usually place terrain now to make the game interesting and make it fair to my opponent as well. it someone wants an open ground and be win at all costs. then i give them it and make them pay ^^.
4. We roll for mission & deployment
5. I immediately start building a game plan on how to best use the list at hand with the current terrain set up and mission/deployment guidelines. i usually have my plan in mind, but ot unit specific if you get what i mean. like i want this unit in my lists for anti-tank and not more specific than that.
6. I carry out my plan.
7. I win. or lose ^^.

just wandering after posting this one, am i being a jackass? digging myself a hole or making a valid argument?

EDIT: for the batrep itself. nice image batrep but you need more images i think.

also, i think your tactic was flawed, if he had another stealer squad or two he could have taken the battle quite nicely with more fexes with bard stranglers and used his troops choices appropriately, because nids swarm the enemy first and then bring in the bad boys ^^. and also i think like prince that two troops choices, no mater how big is not enough to be competitive in a game. especially objectives. being all killy is all good and fine, but what if you can't reach what you want to kill in an objective game? what do you do then? you lose the game and the game becomes less fun.

i agree with pilot00 on all his points, but i would like to play against prince for competitive reasons. but i usually like to play as well as possible and for laughs. winning is just the cherry on top, but i love winning, but not winning as my single and only goal.

P.S nids don't need to be shooty to be competitive! , but some shooting is nice ^^

thanks
antique_nova

Every batman needs his robin I suppose so ok let me answer the last bit since that was really the only part worth noting (no offense, am i being a jackass?)

My plan was not flawed because well ummm...I went 2nd! Surprise surprise that means I knew everything that he had on his list and where it was deployed.

So your comment is utterly destroyed because all you do is suggest 'oh if he had this if he had that your plan would have never worked' Well guess what? That's what going 2nd is all about, getting to analyze your opponent and decide on a counter. Thus my plan was perfect and worked out perfect but sure Robin feel free to try and nitpick and grab at straws I dont mind.

Sorry to say but i completely disagree with your points to me it's absurd to say 'well if he HAD this then your plan would've failed' because well I could say the same silly thing 'well if i had such and such then him having such and such would be rendered useless' and we'd just go on a loop.

Why is it so hard to accept other people's play styles? Jeez

There's more important things in life you two, really there are. If you honestly dislike how other people chose to enjoy the game THAT much then by all means quit the hobby and find another because not everyone will agree with you. Stop trying to push your crazy ideas onto others.

And for all those reading I want it to be clearly noted that i've been on the defensive here and stating that people have the right to play as they wish. So let that be the fist thing we clear up. I'd hate to be bundled with people that are on a one-track mind bout how the game should be played.

Originally Posted by The Prince of Excess

You make a list against every opponent. Like, oh you have Orks? Let me grab my all HB IG. Oh you're playing Marines? Let me grab my 3 Russ list.

He doesn't do it exactly that way, close but that's basically what it is in a nutshell.

I'm sorry I have to greatly disagree here what I do and 'THIS' definition of multi-listing is completely different.

I just so happen to always walk around with a crap load of different army lists so that I can play whatever i'm in the mood for in the occasion.

What you are describing as multi-listing is something I completely abhor. As i've mentioned several times in my previous posts I have no respect and show no mercy to people that do such a thing, as use a list to specifically counter you.

The only exception to this is campaign games where you would be expected to take some preparation as in the planet diplomacy campaign i'm involved in.

So please do not mix me with THAT crowd.

And I also noticed you are slightly changing your position where as in your first few posts you seemed to completely disagree with anyone who didn't play with YOUR definition of 'fun', now you seem to be showing a degree of acceptance for change and the 'alternate' approach to the game. It takes a lot to admit our mistakes, so I congratulate you my friend. The road to progress starts with a small step.

In any case we've taken my battle report thread off topic enough so if you and any other potential amigos don't mind, let's pretend this all never happened and that this was just your run of the mill Battle Report thread.

Originally Posted by jy2

Great battle report as usual. Hope you don't mind if I borrow the format of your batrep for some of my future reports as well. Oh...and thanks for the help with uploading/posting pics on my batrep. +rep.

Honestly, I multi-list also. I play very similar to Akaiyou as I have quite a large collection. As a matter of fact, I normally just leave my 4 armies (or at least the parts that I use on a regular basis...and 1 fantasy army as well) in my trunk every time I go to my local hobby store and then I rotate them. One day I'll play my marines, the next my daemonhunters, then guards or nids. I also got chaos marines and witchhunters but I don't normally play them and so don't bring them.

On any given day, I can play whichever I feel like, but lately I've been letting my opponent choose who they want to play against (unless it's a store campaign). "So you wanna play against DH?....ok, how many Land Raider's do you want to take on..." or "so you wanna play my nids?...ok, wanna play against a horde or my nidzilla?....so you want to go up against the best, then do you want to go against 5 monstrous creatures or 7?", etc. I usually keep multiple lists for some flexibility, but they're not normally geared towards any particular army in general. Then I let my opponent decide who they want to face. No matter which list they pick, it won't be an easy battle for them as all my lists are quite competitive (at least I try to be...but that's probably not always the case as on occassions I do get defeated badly, though not often).

Ah here's someone who understands me. And yeah feel free to steal the battle report format it's already been 'borrowed' by many others lol I don't mind I 'borrowed' many ideas from others as well.

I completely agree 100% that is exactly how I do things, though I'm not as generous as to let them choose which army they face, but i have definetly done that every once in a while when i'm not sure myself which army im in the mood to play and don't feel like flipping a coin to decide.

Most of the time i gauge the opponent and decide on a list based on what I believe I cant expect from him. If he seems like the beginner type i'll choose one of my 'fun' lists, where I bring all those crazy lil critters that I hardly ever field but own let them get some breathing room.

If the opponent seems like an experienced player i'll choose something more balanced.

And if they are the type of player who seems highly competitive and that usually sticks to cheese list and doesnt play anything else then I will bring out my own cheese though for a while now i've been trying to overcome cheese list with more standard lists.

[chrono10]

Originally Posted by jy2

... lately I've been letting my opponent choose who they want to play against. "So you wanna play against DH?....ok, how many Land Raider's do you want to take on..." or "so you wanna play my nids?...ok, wanna play against a horde or my nidzilla?....so you want to go up against the best, then do you want to go against 5 monstrous creatures or 7?", etc...

That is probally the best way to do it. And what i mean show who is the better player / tacticianer. By letting your opponent picking what you play maybe not the whole list as in gear and individual units, but the general theme. If you let them choose your army, give them a chance to make one that counters it ,and you still win. You probally the better player, or got lucky or what ever. Either way i bet it would be a fun game..

[Akaiyou]

Originally Posted by chrono10

That is probally the best way to do it. And what i mean show who is the better player / tacticianer. By letting your opponent picking what you play maybe not the whole list as in gear and individual units, but the general theme. If you let them choose your army, give them a chance to make one that counters it ,and you still win. You probally the better player, or got lucky or what ever. Either way i bet it would be a fun game..

It often is, but then you need to bring multiple armies which is the problem.
Anyhow lets focus on the report guys!

[Kai-Itza]

Originally Posted by Akaiyou

let's pretend this all never happened and that this was just your run of the mill Battle Report thread.
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Originally Posted by The Prince of Excess

Otherwise, pretend all I typed was a big smiley face and have fun with your army for everyones sake.

Yuuup, there's three pages of smilies here

C'mon Akaiyou and Prince, time to kiss and make up

Either that, or have a beer

Or, maybe a melon

O.O

*Palmfaces*



-Kai-Itza-

[antique_nova]

you have been away from civilization for too long. lol

[Blood_Lord]

Nice report, I have to say I never lost that badly with nids. Kudos on that one. Still can't really see where it all went terribly wrong.

Ok can see when just not really why, those where some under performing nids (imho).

(I read battle reports for fun and learning so don't get my question wrong. I'm slightly amazed they lost that badly)

So my question: What made it go all wrong? I see you picking on a part of his army with your entire army which gives you an advantage, but by the looks of it his nids weren't even close to performing what my nids on average perform.