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I was playing against my friends necron army against my nids, and an issue came up where one of my carnifex could target the necron lord. However, the lord had a retinue of pariahs that were out of sight. My friend claims that I could only target the pariahs and not the lord. i read on the forums somewhere in a different scenario that when a tyrant with guards is target and the guards or not in LOS, then the tyrant can be targeted. So my main question is could i have target my friends necron lord?
I hope this made some sense.
Yes, refer to the page in the BGB that has the the Fire Warriors trying to shoot guardsmen. In that picture it displays that the models out of LOS (a chimera is blocking them) cannot be hit or taken as casulties. This means if your Fex can only see the Necron Lord, even if he is attatched, he won't just be targetted but all hits and wounds and failed saves must be applied to him. The pariahs cannot take any damage.
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Also, don't forget, as per the general rules FAQ, wounds would still be rolled against majority toughness.
Don't like it too much myself, but rules are rules...
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That would be very nasty, I've always allowed my opponent to choice to use the targets Toughness in cases such as above. It never would have entered my mind to apply majority toughness as the rest of the squad cannot be seen.
Just doesn't seem right. I feel it's like having your cake AND eating it.
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I usually don't attach the Lord to a unit, simply because everything in the Necron army has the same high leadership. The Lord still can't be picked out if he's near a unit (although he'd be vulnerable in the case above), and that way he never runs away and doesn't have to maintain unit coherency. Of course, Pariahs are fearless, so maybe that doesn't matter much either.
Sorry about the double post: I thought the first one didn't go through and can't see how to delete it.
Last edited by Weaf; August 28th, 2007 at 03:41. Reason: Double posted
Edit: Triumph and Psichotykwyrm have hit the nail on the head- if your example was of the Lord with Warriors, the Lord alone would be affected and have his Toughness lowered to resolve damage, as per the BGB FAQ
Last edited by jONESIE; August 28th, 2007 at 07:18.
LO RULESOriginally Posted by Jaffar_Hasad
And the LOS example is on page 20 of the main rulebook. Furthermore, page 26, especially the smaller picture, should prove further evidence for the fact that in this case 1. As the Lord can be seen, it can be shot at 2. As it is the only model in sight, it is also the only one which can take damage/ removed as a casualty.
A note on Majority Toughness (even though it doesn't apply in the OPs example) is that although wounded on the majority, the model would still use their own T for determining Instant Death... Though I imagine it would still be annoying for Tomb Spyders to get wounded on the T of Scarabs. ^_^;
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Oh, and so you can find it again, you are thinking of the tyranid FAQ where it talks about shield wall, and size 2 area terrain making the HT take hits without being able to assign them to the TG.
And as the others have pointed out, only models in LOS can be assigned hits.
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Wow thanks for the info that helps a lot.
It also occurs to me that Tomb Spyders come in units of 1-3 but can be placed anywhere. Would this mean that the three Tomb Spyders and all attendant Scarabs would be included in the majority toughness calculation?