Assault Rules Clarification

[Korias]

Hey, if this is in the wrong board, sorry, and also, if this has been posted sorry as well, I'm too lazy to dig through EVERY post to find it.

And yes, I am a newb

Ok, First actual fight between my dad's Space Wolves and my Tyranids.

Question 1:

When assaulting and I have more than enough inches to reach the position of my enemy, can my units assault around them to the back of them, assuming they still have enough movement to get there?

Question 2:

Kinda ties in with Question one, when getting in "base to base" contact, does that literally mean base to base, as most of the tyranids are pointy and kinda hard to get touching base to base, and that would be another reason to move them in around behind, if possible, the enemy's unit to be as many as base to base. Or would you just "assume" that all of them (assuming all had enough of a move to legitimately be in base to base) are in base to base contact for purpose of attacks etc.

Question 3:

Again, ties in with question 2, if you have large units like tyranids, do or orks for that matter, will they all be moved into base to base, and if some can't be because other units are in the way (their own troops) and there isn't enough to be that close, do they still count as being in base to base or no?

I think I had another question, but I can't remember it now.

Thanks for helping this newb out .

[Pandora]

Meh, we all have to start somewhere.

1) Sure they can.
2) Reach your own conclusion, if you *can't* get in btb, then say you are, and put em as close as possible. Make sure you and your oppenent agree.
3) Read #2...

[Chobo-Elite]

well i'm sort of a newb too but looking at trial assault rules i think i can answer the questions.

question 1: Ys, as long as they dont move more than 6 inches.

question 2: The model doesn't have to be in base to base to be considered base to base, just make sure you and your opponent both agree that they are since some models are pretty impossible to get the bases touching.

Question 3: If you there is not enough room to get a model close enough to be considered base to base because of a friendly model that model can only move in the supporting position.

That is with the TAR however i don't really have too much experience with the assualt rules in the rule book so i can't really say how that works.

[WolfRaider]

Hey, if this is in the wrong board, sorry, and also, if this has been posted sorry as well, I'm too lazy to dig through EVERY post to find it.

Try the search function.

Question 1:Â* When assaulting and I have more than enough inches to reach the position of my enemy, can my units assault around them to the back of them, assuming they still have enough movement to get there?

You must move the closest models to the enemy first, and they must move in the most direct route. If you have to go around your own models or already engaged models youmay move around to the side or behind in order to get as many models in base to base as possible. You cannot bypass an unengaged enemy model. So the answer is yes you can, but only if that is the only way to get into base to base. BBB page 62.

Question 2:Â* Kinda ties in with Question one, when getting in "base to base" contact, does that literally mean base to base, as most of the tyranids are pointy and kinda hard to get touching base to base, and that would be another reason to move them in around behind, if possible, the enemy's unit to be as many as base to base. Or would you just "assume" that all of them (assuming all had enough of a move to legitimately be in base to base) are in base to base contact for purpose of attacks etc.

Yes it literally means touching the two bases together. However, if it is physically impossible to do because of themodels shape/position/etc then you put them as close together as possible, assuming their bases could have touched.

Question 3:Â* Again, ties in with question 2, if you have large units like tyranids, do or orks for that matter, will they all be moved into base to base, and if some can't be because other units are in the way (their own troops) and there isn't enough to be that close, do they still count as being in base to base or no?

No. If you cannot get into base to base because models/vehicles/terrain or anything else is in the way, then they are NOT considered in base to base, no matter what movement you still had left.

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[Korias]

Hey, thanks for everyones help! And sorry for putting it in the wrong board Wolf!

In regards to question 3 though, just in general, it would be better to limit the size of large units rather than take the max allowed especially if they are assaulty troops then right? I mean, granted it's a case by case thing, but when facing smaller more limited units, it'd make more sense to take smaller units to maximize the efficiency of their cc assaults? I mean it doesn't really apply to Horms anyway since as long as they are within 2" they get to use all their attacks b/c of the leaping trait, but just curious as to how you would go about doing it.

Thanks!

[WolfRaider]

Full size squads are always better. You need to be able to absorb casualties on the way there and during the fight. If you have extras, they'll still add supporting attacks. If the squad is minimum size, it is easier to break them in the shooting phase, or take them down to less than half strength and eliminate them from holding terrain (table corners). If you take casualties in the first assault, a small squad may no longer be effective for another assault. You may not always be the first to attack if the enemy has high Initiative, so you need extra troops.

[Korias]

Right, I already thought of most of those, but I suppose a medium to large (not quite full) squad would be ideal then? Say something like the brood size of 24 or so rather than 32? Or maybe 28? At any rate, again, I appreciate your help!. What armies do you play? Obviously, Space Wolves lol.

[WolfRaider]

What armies do you play? Obviously, Space Wolves lol.

40k
Space Wolves, Dark Angels (incl Death and Raven Wings), Blood Angels, Dark Eldar, Chaos (Night Lords)

Fantasy
Orc and Goblin, Empire, Bretonian, Dwarf, Skaven, Vampire Counts, Dogs of War, Dark Elves

[Mrmeeperthe2nd]

Got another question about this. I may have just missed this but...

If i win close combat and consolodate into a new unit, do we treat that as a fresh assault and fight that assault right after i consolodate?

[WolfRaider]

No. You fight during the next assault phase. A unit will never fight twice in the same assault phase. So if you consolidate or sweeping advance (under BBB* rules) into a unit on your assault phase, you fight the assault out on your opponent's assault phase.

The main difference between consolidate and sweep (using BBB rules) is consolidate doesn't give you +1A, but you can't be shot at once engaged. Sweep allows the enemy to shoot you on their shooting phase. So it's usually better to consolidate into close combat when you win on your phase, and sweep when you win on their phase, since they won't get a chance to shoot before the next assault phase occurs.


*Big Black Book, the basic rulebook