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    4E CSM Rhinos

    Hi all, long time reader, first time poster... well... maybe not lol

    My question is thus: In the new CSM book the rhino is described as having one fire point although the rules do not specify how many models may fire out of that fire point. In the previous version of the dex and all of the loyalist codexs it states that two models may fire from the fire point. Is this a case of GW thinking that they had already previously established this rule or was it deliberately left out of the book?

    I can't see why loyalist rhinos could have 2 models fire from the fire point and CSM rhinos couldn't. Who knows, maybe CSM rhinos were built by squats...

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    Personally, I'd allow it. A rhino is a rhino - if two guys can fire out of my rhino, two guys would certainly be able to fire out of my enemy's.


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    I wouldn't allow it. if we don't have the rule which says we can do it, we're obviously not supposed to be able to. the other codices mentions specifically that one hatch can be used for 2 models, our doesn't.
    I don't see why we should add rules that we think that we "should" have. it's like saying that our chaos space marines should have ATSKNF just because they're space marines.
    and as usual, we can't really use fluff in our arguments either, or can we? is there even enough fluff on chaos space marine rhinos to be of any help here?

    of course, GW could have just forgotten to add the rule to our rhino entry, but in that case, it'll be FAQ:ed in the (hopefully) near future.
    until then, i wouldn't allow it, unless most of the players in my group want to have it that way of course.

    the easiest way would probably be to just contact GW and hear what they have to say about it.
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    How long before someone chimes in with RAW vs RAI?

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    sorry, i've been wondering for a while now, but what's RAW and RAI?
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    Rules as written vs. Rules as intended... this is a prime example.
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    I was under the impression that the loyalsit Rhino said it had 2 fire-points. Not that it has 1 fire-point that 2 models can use.

    And the vehicles are NOT the same. they have different weapon options and upgrades.

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    The imperial rhino does have one fire point from which two models can fire.

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    And the vehicles are NOT the same. they have different weapon options and upgrades.
    It's a bit like saying a Mallard isn't a duck . This is one of those things I'd talk to my opponent about - it's a teeny bit odd that two vehicles with exactly the same structural design can't fit as many people out of the top hatch.

    Suppose it must be those huge back packs .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrontyr View Post
    sorry, i've been wondering for a while now, but what's RAW and RAI?
    Hi,
    I have always viewed this as the “Letter of the Law” vs. the “Spirit of the Law.”
    People who argue pure RAW have a zero tolerance towards interpretation.
    People who argue pure RAI have a more holistic approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickywacky1 View Post
    Hi,
    I have always viewed this as the “Letter of the Law” vs. the “Spirit of the Law.”
    People who argue pure RAW have a zero tolerance towards interpretation.
    People who argue pure RAI have a more holistic approach.

    Cheers.
    No, it's much more of a "even though the rules say I can't, I feel I should have a special rule that allows my army to do X". 9 times out of 10, it's people that argue the intent of a rule is to allow an exception for their army, and their army only.

    We have a local who tries the RAI notion, and it's always amusing to see him get upset that we won't allow it. If you are 1/4 short on the charge, you don't get it, that's why I moved my guys to be 12.5 inches away, so there could be no doubt

    But as with all so many things, simply discussing it pregame will resolve a great many quarrels. Personally, I'd like to take chaos upgrades for my SM rhinos, but what ya gonna do. :shrug:

    And talking about it, you won't surprise your buddy when you pull up and exchange fire between rhinos, having two shots from one, and one from the other (I picture the old style sea battles with rhinos lined in great rows).
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