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First off, where does it actually say you cannot pre-measure?
Second, what constitutes pre-measuring?
I know some people who will move a unit and while doing so, check to measure if said unit can be charged by another unit (i.e. while moving measuring the distance between the unit and another).
Another example is measuring the distance from a table edge/terrain/unit before deep striking a unit.
Just wanted to see thoughts on this.
1. Pre-measuring is constituted by any measuring before the rules state that you do so.
2. While measuring to see if you can be charged, you are also getting a good idea of range. This is definitely unsporting, if not outright illegal.
3. Dude, thats just plain chicken@#$%. (apology in advance to any mods for "simulated language") If you're that scared to Deepstrike, don't do it. The risk involved is supposed to be FUN.
Part of the reason that you do not pre-measure is that this is a game revolving heavily around your tactical judgment. As commanders we must adjust to and mentally assess all the unknowns on the field of battle. If you move a unit to an area only to get charged, then oh well, too bad, ya just screwed up. Same thing for if ya get a bad scatter on Deepstrike. Learn and move on.
I have so much more to add to this, but I think I'll step down off the soapbox before this nonsense makes me have a stroke...
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Measure the side of the table underneath....
I understand that to some (obviously not these guys) doing the above things is quite unsporting. But where exactly in the rulebook does it have the "no pre-measuring rule".
I ask because I can't find it, and would like to read it to see whether or not the above things are illegal or just unsporting to some.
Hmmm, sadly I lost my rulebook last weekend. If I can recall correctly, I think if you combine the rules for movement with the 'intro' section that includes how to measure, you can make the argument. This came up once here and we did manage to convince the guy that it was in fact illegal. Essentially you can show that it is illegal to measure anything but the model's maximum move from the edge of its base. Also requires a basic understanding of what it means to have a permissive ruleset of course. Sorry I can't give the exact quotes.
The rules don't say you can - therefore you can't (That's the way the rules work). With practice you should be able to judge 12" to within half an inch or so.
If your comeback to any point is ever "It doesn't say you can't" you're on very shaky ground.
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FIrst off it's obviously meant to be limited. Otherwise there wouldn't be targeters whose whole point is to let you pre-measure.
Measureing to a board edge or whatever is also out as anyone with a little geometry can use that to figure out other stuff. Also it can be a convenient excuse to just sort of wander around with the tape measure out eyeballing stuff.
I'll check the rulebook when I can.
The phrase that has always stuck in my mind is “40K is a game of permission not omission.”
Meaning that you need written permission to do anything with the inanimate lumps we call models as they have no free will of their own.
Just consider if the Rules book had to contain denials for every situation, it would be the largest publication in living history! Much simpler just to state what you can do rather than the reverse.
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