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    Someone tell me if this is legit:

    A Squad fires its weapons at another squad and the only model which is in range is one with a special weapon. Hits, woulds and armor saves are resolved and there is one model removed. Must the model with the special weapon be removed, or can the player choose to remove a model from elsewhere in the targeted squad, even though they are out of range?

    My opponeent argued that they could remove any model, citing the idea that another trooper would pickup the weapon and continue shooting.

    While this may seem common sense, I think it is against the spirit of the rules. For instance, it is stated in the rulebook that when firing at a squad half-in cover and half-out, that casualties must be removed from the ones in the open first. I could swear it says somewhere in there that casualties must likewise be removed from those in range... but I can't find it.

    What do you think? We resolved it amicably by letting him remove the model of his choice, but I have wondered ever since.


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    Let me direct your attention to the seconf paragraph of page 47, as well as the first sentence of the third paragraph of page 49 of the rulebook.

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    yes, you can remove the model of your choice in that situation
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    The front page abbreviated the thread title to "removal of models due to firing" and I immediately thought "Oh god, not another andy chambers has left gw thread."

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    err....ddx2k2 did that add aything to this convesation.


    Yeah any model can be removed, my IG buddy commissar yarric used to always tries to use it when I Flamerize him. It is cheap but yes this is a rule. EX: My Grey Hunters are 36 inches away from the nearest squadand his Vet. Sareagent is the only model I can hit I it and he fails the save he takes away the lasgunner that is 48 inches away.

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    Originally posted by ChadFromCanada@Apr 1 2004, 18:51
    yes, you can remove the model of your choice in that situation
    Yeah any model can be removed, my IG buddy commissar yarric used to always tries to use it when I Flamerize him. It is cheap but yes this is a rule. EX: My Grey Hunters are 36 inches away from the nearest squadand his Vet. Sareagent is the only model I can hit I it and he fails the save he takes away the lasgunner that is 48 inches away.
    I afraid not. As Archon Astaroth indicated, the rule book is clear in stating models out of range can NOT be removed as valid targets, even if they are part of a squad in which some of the members are in range. I think people should consult the rules before offering opinions, especially when they have been pointed out by a prior poster.

    Ulf Thunderclap your friend is not following the rules in some other ways. For a flamer, the casualties MUST be taken from those under the template (pg 56). And if commissar yarric has a save better than other models in the unit, makes an attempt to save and fails, he must take the wound. You cannot take a special model&#39;s save but apply the wound to another model. Even if you use mixed armor rules, the casualties must come from the models who&#39;s save was used.

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    i failed to pay attention to the out of range part, sorry
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    yep, it is pretty clear on pgs 47 and 49. You must remove casualties from the models in range. The target player removes them of course, but in my situation, where only one model was in range, he SHOULD have removed that model, not a regular one from the back. he later used that model with a special weapon on me to greaa effect

    Thanks ArchonAstaroth for the answer I should read the manual again, but I knew I was right darn it&#33;

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