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Im guessing that these configuations are not legal.
Land speeder tornado
--heavy bolter and flamer.
--multi and assault cannon.
I have may reservations on the 2nd one, and am pretty sure about the first one.
I was just looking at that the other day and you're right those are both illegal. A heavy bolter speeder may add an assault cannon but not a flamer and a multimelta speeder may add a flamer but not an assault cannon.
I'm not a big fan of the MM/HF combo myself but would be happy to hear from anyone who can argue in it's favour.
No more NG spearmen, thanks! Now I need some pump-wagons!
I would definetly go Heavy bolter + Assualt Cannon. Get 7 shots in, 4 rending. Good targeting your oppenents elites.
Better to just buy the MM alone and send it in for hunter-killer raids against the side and rear armour of enemy tanks - its high speed and maneuverability make it ideal for that sort of high value surgical strike and the perfect MM platform.
The ability to move 12" before placing that template is just so freaking useful. Besides, if you think its going to get shot down, it is still a fast skimmer - move it somewhere else with its freaking fast top speed, and wait for a better opportunity. Or just don't send it in unsupported, in fact, it makes a great support unit itself. Building occupied by genestealers and you have to take it with your tactical squad? Send in the landspeeder at the same time. In a situation like that, it is MUCH more reliable than a standard assault cannon/heavy bolter combo.
In fact, reliability is the very reason I like it so much. Sure, you have to get up close, but as I said, its a support unit, and if you're careful it should still be positioned favourably anyway.
Besides, how often have you HAD to kill a certain cover entrenched unit, and had your assault cannons failed at the job due to cover saves? And poor rolling to hit? Not a problem with the heavy flamer template - you know it will get the job done. And in cover, more often than not they will be bunched up as well, which just makes it all the better!
So yeah, I love heavy flamers on landspeeders. (But maybe i'm just a little different, my 3 landspeeders comprise of one of the above, as well as two typhoons. Not a single assault cannon.)
P.S As an example, picture 6 genestealers bunched in a small building.
Assault cannon/heavy bolter shoots = 4 assault cannon shots + 3 heavy bolter shots
= 4[(1/6)(1/2) + (3/6)(5/6)(1/2)] + 3[(2/3)(2/3)(1/2)]
= 2.16 Genestealer kills, on average. Not much. And this includes rending, and 4+ cover saves.
Heavy flamer/Multimelta = 6 hits from flamer (assumption, yet often achievable in my experience) + 1 Multimelta shot.
6[(2/3)] + (2/3)(5/6)(1/2)
= 4.28 genestealer kills. Twice as effective. And sure, you might not be able to hit all 6, but still, 5 hits will still give a better result than the assault cannon job. And you should be able to hit 5 at least, if the genestealers are in coherency.
Sure, out in the open and at long range, the assault cannon/heavy bolter combo will be much better, but I suppose that means they have completely different jobs. One is a point and spray machine, the other for surgical strikes. I know which I prefer!
Last edited by Cadaver Junkie; April 6th, 2008 at 05:58. Reason: cruddy speelink and punktuachoin
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Just to let you know, they are illegal in the SM Codex, but for BA & DA they are perfectly legal, So expect them to be that way in the new CM
Actually whilst dave is right, that they are only illegal with codex SM, they were not illegal in the old codex SM so it is entirely possible they may remain illegal in any future incarnation
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