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The 5th edition rule book came out for us 2day and it has this rule about bases.
It says, "some people like to put their models on scenic bases. As mounting your models on different sized bases might affect the way they interact with the rules, make sure before the game, your opponent doesn't mind this."
I've had my terminators mounted on top of 5mm tall rocks in 4th ed, and im wondering if this rule applies to me? I'll say the base is pretty scenic but its on the normal 40mm base so i wouldn't say they are on different sized bases...but being on 5mm tall rocks does give them a lil better LOS but they can also be spotted better too...
But if you think about it, GW does sculpt some of its models with 5mm+ tall sceneries eg eldar harlequins, and the to be released Space marine vanguard veterans (made for 5th ed).
So my main question is, is this base size rule refering to what you put on the base or is it about the diameter of the bases?
Yes, someone could claim that you are in violation and not allow you to field them. however, if they are very clearly on nice, scenic bases, and this was done for modeling purposes, and not to gain an advantage, nobody is going to say anything.
And if they do, simply take the rest of your models off the table as well, as you'll probably be a lot happier not playing said person.
For that matter, if they didn't have a problem playing with those models in 4th, I don't see why it would become an issue for them in 5th.
Put the box on the table by the window in the kitchen.
I encouage my opponent to make fantastic looking bases and models. as long as thier not all stratigicly built to bend the rules in him favor. A better looking army is always fun to fight.
you can always angage in a house rule. The model, though it has a larger and awsomely detailed base that gives a 5' height advantage to the model, shall be played as though as if it is on a normal base.
Weve been playing levels 1,2,3 for years , i think we can still figure it out.
Yea im not too concerned about casual play, im more worried about tournaments where those who want to win will use it against me.
If the game allows for models that lie down or kneel, then it should allow for models that a standing higher up than the rest. They do suffer the disadvantage of being spotted more easily...lol the dreadnoughts base is scenic, can players discriminate against GW work?
Rule isn't a big burden but still has a burden and would've been better if it weren't there.
the rule from what i know you have to ask for your opponents consent and if they say no then you cant use that model during that fight of the tournament but someone has to be really f up to actually say no imo.
Traitors dine in heLL.
It's an important rule to be there. Sure griping about someone's 5mm rocks on the base of termies is silly and would probably even get you a warning from the judge you complained to.
However, if I see someone at a tournament unpack an army of Ork Trukkerz and the Nob for each and every mob is conveniently mounted on a 60MM 'scenic' base, you'd better believe I'm asking for those to be proxied with regular bases.
I would actually be more inclined to say no in most cases. After all I've seen some very imaginative rethinking of a model's position on it's base especially to take full advantage of the new TLOS rules for 5th. In the case of the OP, though, if it's "only" 5mm more of height, on a scenic base... I guess I wouldn't have a problem with that. As he pointed out, the pros and cons seems to balance each other fairly well :)
True line of sight only works with true models, the further away from how they were intended the further away from the rules they will be.
Just to take this to a whole new level of crazy with base height, my son brought an old telescopic car aerial in from the garage the other night and asked if this would be any use under a Skimmer as a flying stand.
Now ‘if’ I were to use this the base diameter may not be changed but the height could be varied enormously before the game started, enabling it to ‘see’ above any possible terrain imaginable.
But it’s not true to the model.
In a controversy the instant we feel anger we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves.
and then of course at the end of your turn you could shorten the aerial to hide during your opponent's turn... pop up attacks return!
I think for friendly games, you just have to be reasonable and hope your opponent is the same. For tournaments, the tourney organisers will have to make a ruling if it isn't mentioned in the tourney rules.
For pickup games, if your opponent is being particularly belligerent about it and you think you are being perfectly reasonable, then as Sinjin said you probably don't want to play them.