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Dear Mighty rules forum,
I am having some confusion with regards to The special characters, and their units in regards to the FOC.
E.G. Sammael (Page 79, bottom left paragraph in the DA codex) states that ravenwing attack squadrons may be treated as troops choices as well as fast attack choices.
Does this mean that they are both troops and fast attack - both choices at the same time. (Thus limited to 3x only, due to the maximum amount of Fast Attack choices you can have - and no other Fast Attack)
Or that you can choose to either have them as troop OR fast attack - and take up to six as troops, and then pad yourself out with other fast attack if so wished.
I figured, RAW that they were troops in addition to FA, and that extra rule was to allow them to score / so you don't have to take tac marines.
Discussion arising from: http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...-2-000pts.html
Last edited by stayscrunchyinmilk; August 12th, 2008 at 12:44. Reason: mis-quote
Whenever a special character has a rule like that, it always means troops OR fast attack, unless it's like the Last Chancers where it specifically says it's an HQ, and then if you have a certain number of models, it "counts as a Troops selection as well."
Whenever a special character has a rule like that, it always means troops OR fast attack
Where is that written?
They're very carefull with their grammar now days, as a example:
You may equip your commander with a combi bolter for xyz (and he keeps his old weaponry)
Rules As Written, gramattically it states they're both - It doesn't say that they may be taken as troops choice or as a fast attack choice, It states "as well as" - i.e. in addition / combined together.
Last edited by stayscrunchyinmilk; August 12th, 2008 at 12:13.
Personally, I would interpret "may be taken as Troops as well as Fast Attack" as either Troops, or Fast Attack, or both. And that's the only answer you're going to get from me, because this is the first time I've seen this even suggested. No, there's isn't a FAQ on this matter, and don't expect one either.
I don't think it's worth getting into detailed semantic discussions really. People read too much into specific wording it seems to me. If you meet someone being a pain in the arse about it; don't play them.
Last edited by Anacron; August 12th, 2008 at 12:32.
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(My bad re first paragraph)
However, as i've just noticed the title above that sentance is "Army Organisation" - not "Special rules" I will utterly concede that they can be taken as just troops. I will now go and get another terminator squad, and start kicking a dread / terminator list about.
Thankyou for your patience with my arrogant stupidity.
Last edited by stayscrunchyinmilk; August 12th, 2008 at 13:02.
It means either/or, not both. Specifically, unless otherwise stated one unit = one FOC spot. Whenever a unit also takes up another spot, it says so in its rules.
You're also misinterpreting the grammar itself. "As well as" simply means "in addition to." It also says "may be" and not "must be." So you may treat them as troops choices, in addition to the fact that you may treat them as fast attack choices. Take your pick.
This is one of those things where two major issues are working against you: standard English grammar, and the understood rule to basically the entire community and anyone you talk to at GW, including the writers of the Codex. As usual, GW writes very, very poorly. They write at about a high school level, and so if you wish you can find enough vagary in their choice of words to play rhetorical games, but it's fairly clear.
PS - GW is never careful with their grammar, these days or ever, so be careful about spreading that notion around too much.
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