Multiple Fearless units losing CC and testing

[Dark Trainer]

So I have a question, because I feel I did this all wrong. There was a black templar squad who assaulted my squad of scarabs AND my tomb spyder combined (both fearless). After all was said and done I lost combat and did he did 10 wounds I did 4. So I lost CC by 6 wounds and since both units are fearless do I have to take 12 saves (6 per squad?). That just seems messed up that it doubles...any insight to this or page numbers would be nice. Thanks!

[DJinni]

Originally Posted by Dark Trainer

So I have a question, because I feel I did this all wrong. There was a black templar squad who assaulted my squad of scarabs AND my tomb spyder combined (both fearless). After all was said and done I lost combat and did he did 10 wounds I did 4. So I lost CC by 6 wounds and since both units are fearless do I have to take 12 saves (6 per squad?). That just seems messed up that it doubles...any insight to this or page numbers would be nice. Thanks!

you take 6 divided as you determine

[psichotykwyrm]

Originally Posted by DJinni

you take 6 divided as you determine

Would you like to cite a page where that is found?


Back to the OP:

As per page 44, under "No Retreat", Fearless units take a number of saves equal to their Morale check modifier for lost combats.

As per page 41, under "Assault Results", all units on the losing side of a multiple combat take a morale check modifier equal to the total combat resolution.

Therefore:

Put these together, and all Fearless units that lose in a multiple combat take saves equal to the number the entire side lost by. (Which would be 6 each by the OP's example.)

[InquisitorAffe]

Yup, what wyrm said. 6 wounds per fearless squad. It's pretty harsh. don't lose assaults!

[eiglepulper]

P.41 BRB under "Assault Results": lines 3-5. Both the Scarabs and the TS have to take 6 Fearless saves.

E.

Oops, sorry guys - this was already posted by PW. Didn't spot that. (Old age and all that, you understand....need glasses. Or more coffee.)

[DJinni]

Sorry storm kicked me offline before I could edit my post.
the rule you use is the "no retreat" rule.
Page 44 second paragraph under "no retreat" does not state "each unit" it is the combined units. if you have 2 units that lost by six than both units take a combined total of 6 hits not each unit. as you lost by 6 you can only take 6 hits. you did not lose by 12 and therefore cannot take 12 hits.

[marv335]

Originally Posted by DJinni

Sorry storm kicked me offline before I could edit my post.
the rule you use is the "no retreat" rule.
Page 44 second paragraph under "no retreat" does not state "each unit" it is the combined units. if you have 2 units that lost by six than both units take a combined total of 6 hits not each unit. as you lost by 6 you can only take 6 hits. you did not lose by 12 and therefore cannot take 12 hits.

You take 12 hits.
If you're going to reference rules, at least do it correctly.

Originally Posted by 40k rulebook, p44

these units do not take morale checks and will never fall back, instead, these units suffer a number of wounds equal to the number their side has lost the combat by.

These Units
Each fearless unit in the combat takes the amount of saves equal to the amount they lost by

[DJinni]

Originally Posted by marv335

You take 12 hits.
If you're going to reference rules, at least do it correctly.

These Units
Each fearless unit in the combat takes the amount of saves equal to the amount they lost by

yes you are correct in your quote however you are failing on one point
"These" does not equal "each"
these units take X hits, not "each" unit takes X hits. if you are going to advise me I am wrong please make sure you are right.

[marv335]

The rules are quite clear.
If a combat has a fearless unit it, and loses, the fearless unit takes a number of saves equal to the number it loses by.
It doesn't matter how many units are involved, the number isn't split.
If you had multiple non-fearless units in the losing side would you divide up the leadership modifier by the number of units in the combat?
No.
Same principle applies

[DJinni]

Originally Posted by marv335

If you had multiple non-fearless units in the losing side would you divide up the leadership modifier by the number of units in the combat?
No.
Same principle applies

ah yes the opinion of a principle dictates the rule.
do you multiply the winning reesult when the winner has multiple units? if I have 2 units fighting one, does the bonus I win by double?
its a completely different rule from a morale test, and you can't infer the rules mean something they don't. show me where it states other than I have stated and I'll agree.
the statement in the rules used for fearless units are clear. all units involved take X hits, not X multiplied by the number of units.