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A Friend and are having a disagreement over the interpretation of the and/or use in Options: for a unit.
This is on page 134 of the new Space Marine codex and is under the options for the Sergeant:
It says quote: The Space Marine Sergeant may replace his Bolt Gun AND/OR Bolt Pistol with:
My Friend says he could take a Storm Bolter to replace his Bolt Gun and/or and take a Storm Bolter to replace his Bolt Pistol thus having a Storm Bolter in each hand.
I say he cant do that as I think a Storm Bolter is a TWO HANDED weapon and he says well it says and/or meaning replace both.
The Daemonhunters Armoury on page 16 says its a two handed weapon, does the Daemonhunter Codex even count as if you didn't have it you would not see that stated.
The Army Builder shows doing this also but sometime you cant find all the little glitches.
Is there anywhere in the rules that says how this should be or is this stated somewhere else in the GW rules or errata.
I could us a little help from those who know more than I.
And/or means pretty much what it says... the model can replace the one and/or the other. So yes, he can replace either weapon with something from the list resulting in two powerfists, two stormbolters, or whatever.
Now with the two stormbolter thing. Page 15 of the main book describes how you can only fire one weapon unless you have some sort of ability or rule stating otherwise. So in theory he CAN have two stormbolters, he just can't fire them both at the same time, making it a waste.
Write out the two options the sentence gives you:
"The sart may replace his gun and pistol with a storm bolter for x"
"The sart may replace his gun or pistol with a stormbolter for x"
Does either of those sound remotely like you can buy two storm bolters?
Either way, as said above, he's not allowed to actually use them both, so, who cares? Let him waste the points!
In 4th ed., bolters, storm bolters, combi-guns are 2-handed weapons and so you will only get to have 1 (unless it is a Monstrous Creature or certain special characters).
In 5th ed., it doesn't explicitly differentiate whether these are 1 or 2-handed weapons. It only says that "pistol weapons are light enough to be carried and fired one-handed..." To me, it seems to infer that the other guns are not "light enough to be carried and fired one-handed" meaning that they require a hand and a foot to operate...no, j.k....2 hands to operate.
In any case, normally if you carry 2 of the same guns (i.e. 2 pistols), it doesn't double the rate of fire. Instead it counts as a single, twin-linked weapon (there are exceptions of course, especially with special characters).
Oh yeah, I forgot, if he gets 2 storm bolters, he could only use one anyways.
Last edited by jy2; January 7th, 2009 at 00:50.
I read this as the Slash between the two words means you can use one of the words but not both as this is in a lot of the Option: lines
The Sergent may replace his Bolt Gun AND Bolt Pistol with:
The Sergent may replace his Bolt Gun OR his Bolt Pistol with:
With this I mean you can't read the sentence twice only once and make the decision.
I hope that makes sense.
Page 15 helped with the shooting as it makes it more of a reason why it would only make sense to chose once from the line but who am I.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Put the box on the table by the window in the kitchen.
Thanks for the insight, it helps me look at that and have a better under standing.
Off note: I did watch old Mork but I really picked the name up from playing Tribes if anyone remembers that game and have used it in every game AND/OR MMO since then. couldn't resist that.
The AND/OR bit is actually explained on P.128 Codex SM, lines 9-12 in paragraph #7.
"Tau Commandment #226: Participants who use Velocity Trackers in the Tau Clay Pigeon Tournament will be disqualified"