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I have just since started to build my Eldar Jetbike army, and I was just wondering if small flying bases could be used for the guardian jetbikes in a tournament setting? The bases that the jetbikes come with are incredibly large.
I contacted the GW store and the person there said that you HAVE to use the large base due to assault rulings, and base contact.
Are these words true?
That ruling is true. Models come with bases, and that base is the minimum allowable size.
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One could make the arguement that if you have the old bikes they did come with smaller bases and the rule states they use the base they come with. ( same holds true for old terminators) This could lead to armies with the same unit using different bases and by the rules as worded it would be ok. But for the intent of your question yes you need to use the larger bases. The rule also says if you use different bases it is ok if you get opponent permission but then everything is ok if you and your opponent agree on it.
Standard 40mm round bases (with flying stands) look really good for jetbikes; they're a nice size.
If someone refuses to play you because your bases are "too small" then you're probably better off not playing them anyway. Personally I'd take them to the tournament and see what happens.
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I was under the impression that the jet bikes followed the same rules as the marine equivalent and they are measured everything to the hull of the bike. Why should the marines' assault bikes have this advantage and not the eldar jetbikes?
1. Our grav-tanks and vipers don't use the flying base for assault rules or measuring purposes.
2. Other bikes use the hull for measurements.
3. The base is clear... possibly to denote that it isn't actually there? hmmm
So given these three premisses why should the eldar jetbikes be any different? I know you got the lady on the other end of the phone but that may be the generic answer they are trained to give about all questions about bases. I asked this question a while back and got the answer that the bikes measured from the hull. Inconsistent rulings... personally I measure everything from the hull of the bike and my opponents do as well. This isn't much of a problem as we both know what's going on. This is what we were told to do and it also makes more sense. Just my thoughts on the matter.
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thanks for all of the replies. I am probably just going to get small ones and have the large one in reserve if it's ever contested over. Measuring from the hull only makes sense.
The base is clear because it's a generic part. most models using it don't count it. jetbikes do count it.
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Hmm, good replies, still confused. The bases these bikes came with are 60mm.
Page 3 says if it came with one then you MUST use it, whether or not it is big or small, old or new
The rest is an agreement just like any other rule can be.
(You 'have' to use that supplied large base, not because of assault rules but because of the rules on page 3 - its whatever is current at the time that must be used.)
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Wicky, Thanks for the reply. If the rules state this, then so be it. It's exactly what i was looking for. thanks!