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Ok I am no stranger to Gamesworkshop games and have played 40k in the past but it's been a long while. Well to make a long story short I just bought the 5th edition rules and played a less than 500 point game to just get back into the swing of things.
I have some questions that either the rule book's wording messes me up or maybe I just flat out have them wrong.
PLEASE forgive me if these are answered elsewhere on this forum but using the search feature didn't really help and well sorry I would rather spend my time playing than combing through 50,000 posts! lol
Questions (again for 5th edition rules ONLY)
1) With the line of sight idea; does this mean you can target HQ models even if they are not the closest model to the unit shooting?
2) Are Moral Checks taken only from deaths caused by close assault or deaths caused by shooting losses too? And if moral checks are needed from shooting deaths when is that moral check taken by the unit that gets the losses?
And this is probably my biggest problem: The Shooting Phase
So instead of rambling on about it can anyone link me to any "how to's" on the shooting phase. Sorry but the rule book totally confuses me. I am in the dark about how shots are allocated, how wounds are allocated, etc.
My friend and I just played where every single model in a unit had to declare which single model they were shooting at in the opposing unit. And then just rolled for every single model. But looking in the rule book it seems to be that the controller of the unit taking the fire gets to choose which units get the wounds???
Last edited by netwolf; February 9th, 2009 at 16:42.
1) if the HQ is not in a unit- then yes.
2) they are taken for 25% shooting losses or from losing in assaults.
3) shooter targets. Shooter chcks lines of sight. Shooter fires all shots from the unit simultaneously. Then, once all wounds have been caused and before saves are taken, these wounds are allocated by the shot at side onto models. Then the model takes its save and is killed or not killed as appropriate.
Hope I've helped.
Thanks for the input.
So then if the unit takes more than 25% casualties from shooting when do they check for morale? After the close assault phase? Or after the one player's shooting phase (before the shooting players Assault Phase that is)?
Ok so wounds are allocated by the player who controls the unit that has been shot at. What then would stop that player from just saying "well all those wounds go to this one guy" or what would stop the player from never allocating wounds to say models in the unit that have special weapons?
1) at the end of the shooting phase
2) I have a squad of 10 marines with sarge, missile launcher and flamer. They take 18 wounds from shooting (the enemy really don't like this unit!). The first 10 wounds HAVE to be allocated to each model in the squad, meaning that each model had to take a save and there are 8 wounds left to allocate. At this point you can allocate a further wound each to and model, so in this case it makes sense to allocate 7 to the regular marines and the other one to a special weapon. Then roll all 14 regular marine's woounds at the same time, removing ALL dead ones, the the 2 for one of the special weapons, and one each for the other special weapon and sarge. If more than 14 saves for the regular guys are failed, these are wasted. If both wounds on the special weapon guy who took 2 saves are unsaved then the second is "wasted".
In the case of multi wound models, all identically armed models take their saves together and wounds caused kill off as many models as possible. A unit of 5 identical nobz takes 5 wounds. 4 fail, and so 2 are removed. If there is one with a power klaw and all the others are otherwise idetical, the n allocate one onto the klaw, the 4 are on the squad. The squad pass one save, so 1 nob is removed, 1 nob is down to 1 wound. The power klaw nob fails his save and so takes a wound.
Hope thats clear enough, if not let me know.
Thanks man. Ok so (sorry for beating this to death) here is a situation:
What if one or more of that 10 model SM unit (from your example) is not within line of sight of any of the models in the shooting unit? I would imagine then those models not in LoS can not have wounds applied to them? So then how does that break down the way the wounds are applied to the models that are in LoS of the attacking unit?
LoS issues for allocating wounds is no longer in 5th edition. That was a 4th edition thing. You do allocate wounds to models you can't see because you have to allocate one wound to every model before you can begin to allocate a second wound to any other model.
Either in the shooting phase, or in the close combat phase, when someone is removing models from their unit they can remove any model within the unit. It just saves a lot of time that way. Look under shooting in the rule book; under the allocating wounds part. There's a sentence in there that talks about being able to take the wounds from anyone in the unit.
Hope that helps.
"When Blood Speaks, Shadows Answer."
To answer, When is the moral check done for 25% loss during shooting?
Don't have the book on hand, but I'm pretty sure, that the check is done at the end of the player's shooting phase.
A unit of Ork boys 20, is shot at by a tactical squad, and loses 5. It is then shot at by a Predator and loses 4. A scout fires upon the orks (man the SMs hate these guys) and kills 2. SM players shooting phase is over. The Ork commander would then take a moral check for a 25% loss against shooting, once.
The same is true if the SM's weren't so effective. only scoring 2, 1, 2 kills respectively. At the end of the shooting pahse the orks have suffered 25% (5 of 20 ). and would still required to pass a moral check.
(Except to be completely anal, the orks are fearless in units of >10 so wouldn't need to test in the second scenario. But yeah, you get thhe picture. Any pther squad of 20 would.)