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So today a berzerker champion with a powerfist decided to strike at his normal initiative (probably because he already failed a save--simultaneous combat). I'm fairly sure no one can 'turn off' a powerfist or equivalent weapon anymore.
Does anyone have a page number or something for this rule for the big rule book?
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Page 42, bottom right:So the only way for a Power Fisted model to strike at regular Initiative would be if they also had a second special weapon such as a Power Weapon.All of their attacks, including the bonus attack, benefit from the special weapon's bonuses.
So, if the berzerker had say a Powerfist and Boltpistol would they be able to turn off the powerfist because under "Normal Close Combat Weapons" it says pistols count as normal close combat weapons?
Or would they have to do something...that I expect no one will do..or really can do and thats take an additional special CC weapon (ie powerweapon).
The second weapon has to be a "special" type. For example;
A character with powerweapon and powerfist can chose to use either in combat. But a character with CCW and powerfist, must use the fist.
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After looking back over 4e and 5e I understand now .
I've always been a little bit behind on the special close combat weapons rules because I mostly played Tyranids in 4e and only really worried about rending.
I'm happy this rule came up and understand the reasoning for why you can't turn off powerfists.
It was explicitly stated in 4e that you could and in the 5e rulebook doesn't say anything until the "two different special weapons" section about using a different weapon and it specifies you can only use different Special Close Combat Weapons.
Pretty happy that I'll be able to challenge this if it comes up usually I just blush and accept whatever rules my opponent sees fitting..
Thanks for the Clarification!
(and on a side note I didn't mean anything smart/arrogant by saying that it would be unexpected to see an opposing model with both a powerfist and second special CC weapon, sorry if I came off like a bit of a jerk).
Last edited by Enjoi_Tyranids; February 19th, 2009 at 03:14.
5E is actually so good as to explicitly say you *can't*, it's just on a different page. p35, 3rd paragraph. All models always use all attacks and always use any special weapons they have.
"So, we can either swing at the same time or I can swing after you with a super smash... so go ahead and attack me so that I can see how things are gonna go. Oh, you didn't kill me, here's my super smash... or wait, no, you did kill me, fooled you, I actually decided to swing simul."
Yea, BS on both counts.