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I believe I have read that in 5th ed, from the basic book or Space Marine Codex(?) a player can make up their own Chapter and use clones of the special characters listed in the book.
I do not remember reading it, but was thinking to myself this process only applied to characters listed in the Ultramarine choices.
Therefore, the chapter master of my Happy Legion is a clone of Calgar. Nothing extra, a direct line, by line copy. With gear & stats (all renamed).
Please correct me on the above.
Here is my main question.
Is it legal to clone librarians, sargents, heroes from other official Chapters into a fabricated new one?
IE: My Chapter Master is a clone of Calgar & my Captain is Darnath Lysander. It continues...
Can this be done? Or does a fabricated chapter have to be a subchapter of an official existing group to 'clone' from it's roster?
~Robin in SC
PS: Rule sightings would be grand.
You can use clones of any special characters in a given codex together in the same army, as long as they're from the same codex.
i.e. no Dante2 with Lemartes2 and Ragnar Blackmare2 in the same army, but you can have a Lysander2 fight alongside Sicarius2 without a problem.
I only own the basic new edition of the Space Marines book, no individual Chapter Codex's
So *within* this single volume, I need to be careful not to mix named characters from different Chapters?
Or does this apply only to different physical books?
Sry to split hairs.
It's only different books - so you can have Calgon as your CM and Sicarius, Lysander, Shrike and Khan all as captains under him even though they're UM, Fists and Ravens normally.
Does anyone else get "Space Marines live longer with Calgon" go through their head whenever they see Calgar?
Space marines are never cloned, fluffwise. Not every chapter is led by a Marneus Clone, for example.
HOWEVER. You can feel free to use their rules to represent your own character. For example, I play Imperial Fists, and use Pedro Kantor, Chapter Master of the Crimson Fists' rules to represent Vladimir Pugh, Chapter Master of the Imperial Fists. Note that I didn't do this because the Crimson Fists and the Imperial Fists are closely related, but because I wanted to have a strong core of Sternguard in my army, as I thought this fit the fluff.
I could make a new Chapter, let's say the 'Happy Legion', and spend some time reading and thinking up some fluff - their companies are split into two parts, an all-bike mounted section and a heavy Terminator support section (for example) - I might want to use Khan to represent a Chapter Master on Bike and Marneus Calgar to represent a hardened Terminator Captain with a unique weapon.
I would then convert the Chapter Master on Bike out of Sammael, from the Ravenwing range (Note I could not use his rules as they are in the Dark Angel codex, but I can feel free to convert the model), and the Terminator Captain out of a Terminator Librarian with two power fists and a shoulder mounted mind-linked gun to represent the rules (A pair of power fists with built in guns).
I would then devise a paint scheme, and a Chapter symbol, and paint the army. Before a game, I would explain which model represented which character, and what rules I was using for them.
What I wouldn't do, is buy Marneus Calgar and Sammael, paint them different colours, and refer to them as Carneus Malgar and Rammael, and use them in an army of comprised entirely of Scouts.
Hope that helps, and that you have a lot of fun making up a Chapter. It's certainly very interesting to see what you can come up with from the confines of a codex - imagination is key.
(Just as a side note, naming your chapter the Happy Legion will probably cause a few frowns; and Legions were replaced with the smaller Chapters after the Horus Heresy )
Marvelous, and I agree with you on all parts,
I am a huge fluff fan, and this is part of my initial reason for asking. It seems to me that each Chapter Master is quite a unique figure... in a perfect world I would like to choose stats from a GW chart, taking advantages and disadvantages.. creating *Tournament Legal* new Chapter Masters, Leaders & Heroes.
I have yet to see something like this.
I would not 'clone' names or tabletop figures, as green stuff an I are old friends.
Looks like it is time to hit the drafting board.
Thanks all for the responses, great community here!
Last edited by RobinD; June 13th, 2009 at 20:29.
And all this raises another question,can codex chapters clone some guys such sergent chronus?
As long as you're following strictly to Codex: Space Marines, you can combine any number of entries in that book for one army list. Feel free to rename the special characters, paint the army how ya like, and name your new chapter however you like.
Have fun with it, just so long as you stay legally within the codex.
"It takes a vast amount of self control to be this dangerous."
---Ogvai Ogvai Helmshrot, Jarl of Tra, VI Legion Astartes
It seems folks are in agreement about mixing and matching characters from the main SM Codex book... but that is a no-no if trying to bring in named characters or special troop traits from other printed SM codex's.
IE: No characters from the Space Wolf codex ... unless the new army you are building only uses that codex. \
It seems this is a standard friendly arrangement.
What are the official tournament rules? I presume judges will look at an army list and validate it, yes?
Can someone point me to GW's official tourny rules?
Thanks a ton!
As long as all of the units you use come from a single codex (SM in this case) the army is completely legal.Originally Posted by RobinD
There are a few exceptions to that, but they're blatantly stated and don't really come into play in your dilemma.Except Rammael is a really cool name...Originally Posted by Izzinatah
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