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Hi all. I've seen it a few times where players measure vehicle armor facings by tracing a line from corner-to-corner. However, there is a big difference when you do that on different shaped vehicles. The biggest offenders being CWE Wave Serpents & Falcons, who have a tiny rear arc in such cases.
Looking at the BRB description of armor facings, it seems to only point us to the diagram on page 60. Since there is no mention of the popular corner-to-corner method, does that mean I should just trace the lines from the diagram over every vehicle regardless of its shape?
I'm thinking yes, but I want to make sure. Thanks in advance.
Going corner to corner isn't the best choice, IMHO. Most vehicles that this applies readily to (Imperial/Chaos/sometimes Orks) are quite noticeably rectangular - their sides are a fair bit broader than the front and rear. Going corner-to-corner on a vehicle like that gives you a huge side arc and rather small front and rear arcs.
The best approach I've found is actually rather hard to verbalize, because it's really an ingrained, instinctual thing - I don't have a method, per se, I just... do it.
Trying to explain, you're basically imagining an invisible square around a vehicle. The arcs are the whole side in question, plus half (45°) of the corner area (90° total). The trick is knowing where the lines ought to fall on oddly shaped things like Falcons.
...Bleh. That really doesn't cover it, but it's the best I've got. Just try and split the area into 4 logically sized parts (side arcs should be bigger, but not too drastically so), and keep it consistent. Simple in practice, hard to explain.
With some plexi-glass and a sharpie, you can make yourself a nice little "facing template" for the oddly shaped vehicles. Though it may be a bit funky trying to figure out exactly how to center such a device...
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Look at the tank from the top down. Mentally draw a diagonal line cutting through the middle of the tank. Draw another line running exactly perpendicular to that line, passing through the centre. You now have a decently quartered tank. That's how we do it.
It very rarely becomes a point of contention, especially with Eldar grav tanks, since they have the same front and side armour.
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The best solution to this that I have ever seen was proposed by one of GW’s own games developers.
Find the centre of balance (or centre of gravity when viewed from above the model, usually where a flying stand is positioned) and divide the model into quadrants that have their radial arms projecting at 45, 135, 225 and 315 degrees.
The radial arms described by those quadrants contain the area for each armour face within them.
Hard to describe with words I know!
Now a Falcon has much larger frontal armour than first suspected due to it quite simply has a huge ‘front’ on it provided by the ‘falcon wings.’
The ‘corner to corner’ graphic that suits Imperial block shaped vehicles is just a demonstration for that particular vehicle and players will note that there is virtually no text supporting this method.
One could say that there is no RAW on this and only a provided guide-line.
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Does it really matter with Wave Serpents and Eldar tanks? Their front and sides are both 12.
That said, I would draw the smallest sized rectangle encapsulating the tank that touches it on all 4 sides at the highest points (meaning the point on the vehicle's hull sans weapons and other decorations that sticks out the furthest). Then you would bisect this imaginary rectangle with lines through the corners to get your arcs of fire.
We use the paper fold method.
Find the centre of the vehicle and then place the corner of the paper on it. It gives you a nice idea of the facing.
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Wow I think we have like 5 or more different methods here. I'm sure they all work fine in most cases, but since I'm looking for the definitive one, I'm going to stick with the diagram and used the template idea that psichotykwyrm mentioned. I used my large blast marker though – one less thing to carry around.
The lines fit exactly over the ones on page 60. I'd show that, but the page is copyrighted. I added the dotted line to help keep it from getting rotated subconsciously.
Also, I suppose if I need to be extremely precise, I could measure the length/width of the vehicle to find its center point.
Thanks again everyone for your input.
Last edited by Krovin-Rezh; September 22nd, 2009 at 06:09.