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    Rules, Models, Help a Newbie

    I'm new to 40K and learning the rules bit by bit, but I have a few questions about "how it's done." In particular:

    1. Looking at my army lists in the codex (I play Orks) I see that my models/units can have upgrades. (Besides my codex, I'm also using Army Builder to help learn about my units and put armies together.) One particular upgrade is 'Eavy Armor. With my Ork models, I can't tell if they are showing 'Eavy Armor or not--probably because I don't know how much detail the models will show of the 'Eavy Armor. I have these sets: Black Reach box set, Ork Battleforce, Burnas & Lootas box, Stormboyz Box. I THINK that some of the Nobz from Black Reach are wearing it, but I'm not sure. All this said, except for needing the points for something else, why would I not just add this upgrade to my choices? And in general play, is that how it's done--just choose the upgrades, pay the points, and maybe the upgrade is or isn't shown on the models? Or, does the model matter? (Think general play in a GW store or with people who play often.)

    2. Are there any Ork models that have Mega Armor? Which sets are these models in?

    3. In general play, if a model DOES show an upgrade (say my Trukk does have a wrecking ball glued on) if I don't want the model to have it on paper, would it be good enough to just note that...or generally, do I need a Trukk model that does not have it glued on? (I'm not talking casual play with my buddies at my house, but maybe a local GW tourney or playing with some serious players with unlimited $$$ that have every model in duplicate.)

    4. From what I've learned, we're on 5th Edition (red cover book) but some of the codexes are older (4th, 3rd, or even 2nd I was told). How much does it matter that some of the codexes are old? A buddy wants to start playing with me but the army he wants apparently has no 5th edition codex yet. Is that a problem?

    5. How well do models work across editions? If I buy a bunch of 5th models now, can I play them at 6th, 7th, or ...?

    6. Is there any way to tell which books are from which editions? I can't find anything in them that actually says "5th Edition," "4th Edition," or otherwise.


    Thanks for helping the nube. It's most appreciated.


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    You always use the latest edition of your codex and that of the main rule book. It is possible for armies that have outdated codexes from previous editions to play in the current edition. Dark Eldar for example still use a 3rd edition rulebook and can still play in 5th edition tournies.

    WYSIWYG is pretty standard for tournaments but that usually goes for what the model doesn't have on them. You would want to check ahead of time with the tourny organizers to see if it's ok if your model has something on them that you don't wanna use. Most people are ok with this so long as you tell them before hand.

    Yes there are mega armoured nobs and they're sold in blister packs. Also Eavy armour is usually displayed as the heavy shoulder pads on the nobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ksignorini View Post
    I'm new to 40K and learning the rules bit by bit, but I have a few questions about "how it's done." In particular:
    Welcome welcome welcome

    1. Looking at my army lists in the codex (I play Orks) I see that my models/units can have upgrades. (Besides my codex, I'm also using Army Builder to help learn about my units and put armies together.) One particular upgrade is 'Eavy Armor. With my Ork models, I can't tell if they are showing 'Eavy Armor or not--probably because I don't know how much detail the models will show of the 'Eavy Armor. I have these sets: Black Reach box set, Ork Battleforce, Burnas & Lootas box, Stormboyz Box. I THINK that some of the Nobz from Black Reach are wearing it, but I'm not sure. All this said, except for needing the points for something else, why would I not just add this upgrade to my choices? And in general play, is that how it's done--just choose the upgrades, pay the points, and maybe the upgrade is or isn't shown on the models? Or, does the model matter? (Think general play in a GW store or with people who play often.)
    Yhea you just make an army list, I like the good old pen and paper, and write away. Then buy what you need. Making an army around what you've got isn't the best idea but what you have bought so far seems fine. Sorry, I don't play Orksies but someone else may be able to point out the units an what to do.

    2. Are there any Ork models that have Mega Armor? Which sets are these models in?
    As said, they are sold in blisters. Linky: Ork in Mega Armour with Kombi Shoota-Rokkit Launcher | Games Workshop

    3. In general play, if a model DOES show an upgrade (say my Trukk does have a wrecking ball glued on) if I don't want the model to have it on paper, would it be good enough to just note that...or generally, do I need a Trukk model that does not have it glued on? (I'm not talking casual play with my buddies at my house, but maybe a local GW tourney or playing with some serious players with unlimited $$$ that have every model in duplicate.)
    WYSIWYG - what you see is what you get is the standard for most GW stores/tornies. People arnt bothered over small things like grenades but weapons should be shown. You can ask to say is it ok if these burna boys count as normal boys in a friendly game and that shouldn't be too bad but in a tourny thats a no no. Basically to stop things like 'this pringels can is a Stompa!!!'

    4. From what I've learned, we're on 5th Edition (red cover book) but some of the codexes are older (4th, 3rd, or even 2nd I was told). How much does it matter that some of the codexes are old? A buddy wants to start playing with me but the army he wants apparently has no 5th edition codex yet. Is that a problem?
    No codex goes back to 2nd Ed. DE, Necron, WH and DH are the oldest though. Old codices suffer from a term call 'codex creep', basically things that were once useful may now be rubbish or even completely useless if no more rules support it. Old armies are still playable but are less forgiving because they simply cant compete with the shiny new codex that gets released. Orks got their hoards, SMs got their stupid special chars, IG got tanks tanks and even planes, whilst space puppies got a general boost across the board.

    5. How well do models work across editions? If I buy a bunch of 5th models now, can I play them at 6th, 7th, or ...?
    Well a Space Marine is practically the same, as is an ork boy or a Eldar guardian. Most of the core units will stay the same, just the more specialist things may get tweaked for better or worse......3++ storm shields indeed!!

    6. Is there any way to tell which books are from which editions? I can't find anything in them that actually says "5th Edition," "4th Edition," or otherwise.
    Orks, SM, SW and IG have had the 5th Ed treatment. DE, WH, DH and Necrons are 3rd Ed I think (correct me people if I'm wrong), everything else has had an update during 4th Ed, around 5ish years old at most. That's Eldar, T'au, Nids, CSM, Chaos Deamons, BT, DA, BA


    Thanks for helping the nube. It's most appreciated.
    Hope it all helps. An welcome to LO

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