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So, Fourth Edition is out. Everybody is trying it. And my friend has traditionally used a Khorne D. Prince (all cracked out) and a retinue of four to five chosen with power weapons. Everybody has D. Speed.
Now, D. Speed in the fourth edition lets you move like cavalry. It used to just let you burst into a 12" charge, but now you can fleet of foot too. So here is the question:
Can a Khorne track star like this move first, then go +d6 for blood rage, then +6 for fleet of foot, then the long charge? Does that even make sense? Or is blood rage a more violent version of fleet of foot???
blood frenzy is a more violent version I guess, but it also means the khorne unit cannot shoot. And they must move towards and charge the nearest enemy unit if possible. And That result in a few bad expieriences for me, my berserkers rolled and got blood frenzy, and ended up charging a monolith... but I dont know about the 4th edition thing, I havent read up on it yet as I have been playing a bit more fantasy than 40k lately.
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First off Fleet isnt +6 its +d6 just like blood frenzy
Second, to answer your question. NO. You cannot Fleet if you blood frenzy because you "May Not Fire" and thus you cannot use abilities that are used "Instead of shooting" like Fleet is. This is the same reason you may not use a psychic power if you are unable to shoot for example
Khorne can't use psychic powers anyway, so that doesn't matter.
I have heard someone else mention that you can have both in the same turn, but I don't think you would be able to for the reason above about blood frenzy denying shooting.This is so brilliant for the opposition of Khorne, take a landspeeder and fly it behind the Khorne line and they have to turn and chase it. I ad a whole Khorne army further back in their deployment zone than they started in turn 3 once . :lol:And they must move towards and charge the nearest enemy unit if possible
Ok, bad typing on my part. i meant to type that FoF is +d6. anyway, my friend has observed this tactic at the Battle Bunker in Glenn Burnie. I'll give these guys credit: they are trying their best not to get shot from a very shooty 4th edition.First off Fleet isnt +6 its +d6 just like blood frenzy
I've also taken the time to read the fleet rule in the universal section. I'll paraphrase:
If a critter or group of critters has the fleet of ______ rule, then it/they can move an additional amount of inches if it/they don't shoot or use a psychic power that is a replacement of shooting.
Blood Rage is for Khorne crazies who get extra movement during their movement phase because they have no patience and must spill blood, even if it thier own because they like being shot by everyone while they are out in the open! Because of this, they may not shoot during the shooting phase.
So if you can't shoot, it doesn't mean that you don't get to use that phase to run even more.
If you look at the Chaos codex and the 4th edition rule book, you'll see a sick loophole for Khorne lords, LTs, and Chosen who use Deamonic Speed, Blood Rage, and Fleet of Psycho-Freeeeeeek. I'm sure GW will produce a FAQ that does not allow Fleet and Blood Rage, but until then, watch out for a Khorne D. Prince who can potentially move 18 inches followed by another 12 inch to charge! THIRTY INCHES!!!!
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Daemonic Speed is very fun. I once took out the majority of an IG army with just my DP, i took out about 7 or 8 chimeras and my DP made a tasty meal of the chewy insides. Daemonic Speed made it all the more possible.
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Heh dont tell me to read the rules when I just stated how it works
Again, you cannot use Fleet when you CANNOT fire for *any* Reason. It doesnt matter the source and obviously GW isn't going to print every single source in the 1 paragraphic explanation of what the ability does
Reason being is that Fleet counts as firing and thus if you cannot fire you cannot do that. Its the same reason a jetbike cannot use its assault move after it turboboosts, why a Tau jetpack cannot assault move after it deepstrikes, etc
Since you cannot do anything in the assault phase (above examples) you cannot use any ability that is "instead of"
You ask for an answer and then just ignore it, feel free to continue using it how you want Im just saying how it works
Well ladies and gentlemen, Kirasu has shown the issue at hand: people are debating whether not being able to shoot in the shooting phase includes not shooting because of Blood Frnezy.
I feel that the berzerkers are not forfeting their shooting phase, but not being able to concentrate long enough too aim a pistol and pull the trigger.
Kirasu believes that since they cannot shoot, they cannot use their shooting phase, which is not being used by them, to run a little more via fleet of foot. (And Kirasu, just because I don't agree with the lens that you view the wording of the rules, doesn't mean that I am ignoring you. I simply like a debate of facts and good discussion. Hell, I don't even play World Eaters!!!
Its a play on words that GW hates. What does everybody else think of this loophole???
I would agree with Kirasu: Blood Rage is an ability much in the same vein as Fleeting movement, except that when BR hits, You do not have the option not to move (and thus shoot instead). Fleet gives the option, BR doesn't. When BR comes into effect, fleet can't be used since the unit can't shoot, and as such can't utilize Fleet (instead of shooting).
Besides, doesn't BR say that it can't be combined with other movement abilities, or something to that extent? Might be I remember wrong, not that knowledgeable with Chaos.
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oh, i agree with that mentality. However, I believe that World Eater players see BR as extra movement in the movement phase, and FoF in the Shooting phase.