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I’m new to using Drop Pods. I have had them used against me in the past and they have always been horrible to be on the receiving end of.
Having deployed them in anger the other day I was dismayed at how well they worked. No one complained – it was the way everyone accepted that they worked. It got me revisiting the rules to check some of the conventions we play by. So I re-read my Codex (SM p69) and the rules (40K p95). And I still have questions.
So the first one – which is more of a general clarification is
Inertial Guidance System (SM p69): - “… scatter on top of impassable terrain or anther model … reduce the scatter distance by the minimum required … “
I have seen players use this to recover a drop pod that scattered off the table. In my opinion it’s pretty clear that the Inertial Guidance System does not cover this outcome, if you are off the table then the Deep Strike Mishap rules apply as per 40k p95. Am I correct in this?
And the second -
Drop Pod Assault (SM p69): - “Drop Pods arrive using the deep strike rules …”
The Deep Strike rules (specifically the Deep Strike Mishaps) (40K p95) say that a deep striking unit may not come within 1” of an enemy unit.
Question #A: - how big is a Drop Pod. Is it the base i.e. the size when it arrives with the doors closed? Or is it the size it gets to when the doors open?
By convention we have always played it as the size with the doors open, as the troops have to get out and manoeuvre. But I have seen on boards where it is the base size and the doors are considered “decorative”. Is there a definitive answer on this?
Question #B: - If, as may well be the case if the base size is the actual size of the model, it was okay for the doors to be open but for them to be resting on the enemy, say a tank, would you just use true line of site rules for who could see who and who gets cover saves etc?
Imperial Guard: 2500pts 10/0/1, Space Marines: 2000pts 22/0/3
CSM: 1750pts 5/0/0, DE: 1850pts 19/0/1, ORKs: 2500pts 11/1/0,
Impassable terrain and friendly/enemy models are not the same as "off the board". While you can not move you models off the board voluntarily they can be run-off, thus it's not impassible. So a mishap occurs. From RaW:
"If any model in a deep striking unit cannot be deployed because they would land off the table, in impassable terrain, on top of a friendly model, or on top or within 1" of an enemy model, something has gone wrong. The controlling player must roll on the deep strike Mishap table and apply the results."p95 BRB.
there are four distinct reasons to roll mishap, and Inertial Guidance Systems only protect from three of those.
A drop pod being a vehicle it's size is the hulls "foot print", where generally the doors are not considered hull (dictionary), this is also important for range. Since "Once the Drop pod has landed, the hatches are blown . . ."p69 Codex: SM the doors are generally considered nothing more then cosmetic. Even when the doors are modeled closed they are still open and allow for TLoS checks. I've seen people accused of modeling to advantage at tournaments because they modeled them closed and tried to claim defensive non-TLoS.
As far as moving on top of the open doors, which is a separate issue from Drop Pod size, I've only every seen people treat the open doors as essentially non-existent, i.e. enemies can even move on top of the doors, but there is no RaW as far as I know regarding this. I tend to think of it this way: If someone modeled a banner on a figure sticking almost straight out parallel with the table instead of up because the "action pose" had said marine "wounded" or some such that banner is still non-target-able for shooting nor would I treat it as charge-able for assaulting the unit. By that same token I wouldn't feel as though that banner should hinder the movement of enemies either. Doors = Banners in my opinion.
It's a shame really, they could have included a few extra lines regarding Drop Pods in the codexes and had options for modeled closed and open. Would have been nice.
Leez is correct on all his points. Just a little additional info, for you. If you are proxying Drop Pods, you can use the large 5" template as the Drop Pod footprint. Also, if you have the large plastic solo cups, they're approx the same size.