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Hi folks, long time lurker on the forums, first time posting.
First of all, I'd like to say what a wonderful resource these forums are to new players and veterans alike. So, thanks for putting this all in one place and for keeping most of the trolls at bay.
I do have a question though. It's not so much a rules question, but more of a "how to deal with the situation" query.
Simply put, is there a good way to ensure no disputes arise over which units are in cover and what kind of cover they are getting?
I am aware of the cover rules and I've read through the rulebook trying to figure out the best way to approach this.
My approach so far: As my opponent declares his shooting attacks, I bring up that a particular unit would count as being in cover. What kind of cover (4+ vs. 5+) is usually not an issue, as we typically run the same terrain between games.
What happens though, is some opponents immediately push back. I'd like to have a scenario where I don't need to interrupt the opponent's turn, nor have an argument where a model would die without cover and likely live if they're considered in cover.
I play Orks and Dark Eldar, so cover is life (literally); my opponents typically field all AP 5 weapons or better.
What do other folks do? Does anyone else have this problem? Or is it just some players more than others?
I don't want to spend the entire game bickering about cover, but I'd also don't want to just get reamed by ignoring the cover effects.
Any help the veterans here could provide would be greatly beneficial. This is a frustrating issue and really puts a damper on an otherwise great game.
Last edited by Warthog1; June 28th, 2011 at 14:43.
Original post edited to remove the quoted section above and hopefully clarify.
Bottom line: I don't want to have to argue to get cover. How do other players avoid this?
I must say I am quite privilieged to be part of a more lax gaming group - our philosophy on this problem is that whomever is shooting can decide whether the unit is in cover or not (Again very friendly group, but it does stop arguments) However I would not reccomend this strategy if you are not comfortable with your gaming group.
I am assuming your arguments come up when its very close to 50/50 in cover? if so just dice off/Rock Scissor Paper/Flip a coin etc. The winner makes the decision.
Hope this helps.
In a controversy the instant we feel anger we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves.
If you are having to declare your "intent to have cover" when you move... you might benefit from better terrain.
You simply can't just declare that you wanted to have cover after a move. This simply does not take into account how your opponent moves before he shoots at you.
Its part of the strategy for you to ensure that your move has caused you to have cover, whether that means position in area terrain, positioning to block Line of Sight, or even using your own units (or their gear) to give cover to other units.
Your Orks can bring their own cover saves with Big Meks; your Dark Eldar can use their speed. It seems like you're having more of an issue with tactics than rules. Not a problem though, as there are plenty of helpful people whose brains you can pick in the appropriate army sub-forums.
"It takes a vast amount of self control to be this dangerous."
---Ogvai Ogvai Helmshrot, Jarl of Tra, VI Legion Astartes
For non vehicles the rules on rulebook page 22 (namely the bottom right paragraph) deal with the issue if it isn't obvious if the unit is in cover or not, in this scenario their cover save is one less than normal.
For vehicles, the rules on rulebook page 62 deal with cover saves on vehicles - namely (for the discussion of cover/no cover) if you are unsure if they are obscured or not then modify the cover save by -1.
In short, if there is a debate about it the rules support the granting of a cover save, albeit with the save being worse than what the cover/terrain would normally grant.