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Hi, I did a quick search, but the first relevant thread I could find (searched for hellhound) was from 2007.
So, I'll post a new thread and hope you guys will bear with me
1 : My question : How do you place the inferno cannon flamer template?
2 : How I've played it : Announce what unit my hellhound is shooting at. Pull my tape measurer out to X" (never more than 12", depends how far away the enemy unit is) and place the template with the narrow end closer to the hellhound than the large end, while covering as many models in the unit as possible and keeping the narrow end within 12" of the weapon.
3 : How another player told me I had to do it : Announce what unit my hellhound is shooting at. then place the flamer template "blind" on the unit covering as many models as possible and with the narrow end closer than the wide end, and then after putting it down, measure from the tank, if the narrow end is more than 12" away, then its an auto miss. Making it more or less like a blast weapon without scatter O_o
4 : How the Codex tells me to do it : "To fire the inferno cannon place the template so that the narrow end is within 12" of the weapon, and the large end no closer to the weapon than the narrow end. The inferno cannon is then treated like any other template weapon".
(if this quote breaks the forum rules, feel free to ammend it)
am I doing it right, or is this other player correct ? (meaning that I've cheated the entire time I've been playing my guard, that is since early 4th). The player who told me this is usualy rock solid in his rules knowledge/advice, though he does not play guard (tau and SM) and as such I played that game using his version, it made the hellhound useless, utterly useless, And if it is in fact true, that I cannot measure while placing the inferno template, they will never see the light of day in my lists ever again. I had enough of that sort of crap when using bassies and using guess range (shivers)
I assume he was working from the fact that you are not allowed to pre-measure things in 40k, so for instance I would not be allowed to measure a shot from a griffon the same way.
But the hellhounds inferno cannon "calls" for the measurement to be made right?
Like when you deepstrike you can measure to "prove"/make sure that you are within the 6" radius of teleport homers/chaos icons, or when giving orders with IG to make sure the squad is in fact eligeble for receiving orders??
Thank you for any responses.
Cheers and happy holidays
You still need to nominate your target as you would when shooting any other target and as usual after nominating you would then measure to see if the target was in range. This does not mean as your opponent said to place the template and measure to see if the template is in range, you would then place the template anywhere within range and position it to cover as many models as you are able. You are allowed to try different positions and angles for the template to get maximum effect so long as you remain within range, it doesn't have to be where you first place it counts although 9/10 times you will be more or less spot on first time once you have determined the range.
After all any player using a flamer weapon will always adjust the flamer template slightly to see if he can get an extra model or not so there is nothing stopping you from repositioning the template when working out the number of hits.
That was very slick of your opponent....to make you count hits to say.."Oh,out of range...no go."
As stated before the order it's..Declaration, then measurement, then the template.
Making the range like 19''(12+7"ish for flamer) on the Hellhound.
So if I'm reading your answers correctly. I have been doing it right?
Declare target, check range, place template following the guidelines in the IG codex. roll to wound.
the only thing I may be doing wrong is that I declare the target and then measure range and place the template in one step, instead of measuring to se if it is in range and then placing the template, though I only do that to save time, versus measuring, then finding the template and start to place it.
So to make it clear for myself .
When I fire the hellhound I need to do the following steps (to be completely in the safe legal zone using this weapon)
1: declare target
2: measure to see if target is within 12" (the max range that I can place the narrow end of the template)
3: place template if target is within range, to catch as many models in the unit as possible
Oh one more thing, if the unit I am firing on is lets say 14" away, would I still hit them as the template is around 7-8" long, but it is outside of 12"? That is, is the max range of the inferno cannon 19-20" (12+template) like Riptok is saying, or is it only 12"?
This is really good to know, as it is really the most important weapon on the hellhound, and having to fire it "blind" like my opponent wanted me to really killed any use the tank had for me . But If the above 3 steps are the legal way of doing it I can go back to roasting low armour save critters out of cover again!
Thank you for your answers!
It's fired just like any other template weapon aside from it's additional rules which would cause it's starting point to be anywhere within 12" and the template itself is used for range calculating purposes, effectively making it able to reach up to 20" as the template is able 8". Template =/= Blast.
Last edited by Duo_Sonata; December 5th, 2011 at 17:32.
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Even greater is the 12" movement you get with the vehicle as well.
12"+12"+8" = A 32" inch S6, AP4 Flamer for like 150 sumthing right? (codex not in hand).
Because that's one of the vehicles you still have to pay to get a smoke launcher on.
The way you've been doing it is correct, you say what you're firing at, measure 12" and then place the template, remember that as long as the end of the template is 12" away from the tank you can rotate it back and forth until you get all the models you can hit.
Sorry but you're wrong, if you look at its profile it says "Tank, Fast".
But even 26" is respectable, and as long as I can use it like I have been (which seems to be the case) and know that I am right from a rules point, then all is good.