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I have been out of the loop for a while, went to a GW store today, noticed a new 40k rulebook came out, talked to the store person about it.
Here is my question, concerning MOVING AND SHOOTING ONLY, what are the note worthy differences between 3rd edition and 4th edition?
When i was talking to the guy at the store in the red shirt i was given the impression that it was a significantly different game from 3rd edition. I was given the impression that shooting and moving had changed, maybe i heard completely wrong and he actually said those two things stayed the same???
from what i have read so far, moving and shooting seem entirely unchanged, have i missed something?
The guy at the store got me really excited and i plunked down $111 on texts and toys in eager anticipation... now i feel like i have been duped and need to go return some things.
please, make this gamer happy and point out something that i have missed
Yu definitely missed something. There are small but significant changes. They involve everything from which weapons allow you to shoot and move; what you can do after disembarking from vehicles; who, or if, you can assault if you shot at a unit. Many changes.
If the store owner said they remained the same he couldn't be further from the truth.
However, if you can't remember the 3rd ed rules well enought to spot the differences that's good. You won't fall into the trap of remembering a rule one way from the old edition when it's no longer the same. Just forget about 3rd ed and learn the 4th ed rules.
I hope you didn't buy a Space Marine codex. The new one will be out the first week of November (more or less). It will also make some significant changes.
Check rapid firing rules, they are significantly different. And who you can assault after shooting.
I think most of the shooting rules are the same, guns are being modified but they aren't in the rulebook.
My goodness, 4th Ed. has made some major changes!! People who say they are minor simply haven't played much or haven't read the rules.
Declaration of shooting has changed the game the most, I think.
In 3rd Ed., you had to declare all your firing for the whole turn and then roll each unit. The problem was lets say you have 3 squads with lascannons and you're trying to kill an enemy tank. You declare all 3 squads on the tank. If the first squad blew it up, then the other 2 squads just wasted their shots!
Now, in 4th Ed, you do one unit at a time. So, in the same situation, the first squad blows up the tank, the other two can choose different units to target, thereby being a lot more effective!!
Almost every rule has changed. There are changes in everything you do now, Moving, shooting, assaulting, targeting, diff. terrain, deepstriking, how Victory Points are scored, close combat methods, nightfight rules, rapid fire, ordinance (!, vehicles, what they can shoot, what happens when they get hit, skimmers, man, just a ton!
That was 2nd edition and many people ignored it anyway. Third edition shooting was resolved unit by unit. You certainly weren't locked into shooting a destroyed unit with your next shooting unit even if that had been your plan before the target was destroyed.Originally posted by upmiller98@Oct 26 2004, 08:51
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well, that was how we played it (house rule). 4th ed made that more clear i think.