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The new vehicles rules say that you do not have to tell your opponent what is in each transport. Based on this it would be possible for you to "change" what unit is in what transport. So say your command squad is in "land raider A" and your termies in "land raider B." If your opponent blows up your command "land raider A" then you could by sleeziness say that it was your termies that were really in there. This is just a possibility that I think will come and cause some conflict in games. Otherwise... a sleezy strategy that may work. Especially for us devious Dark Eldar players. Obviously this isn't legal, unless it was deliberately put in the rules to give some advantage to weak transports. Beats me.
Simply ask them to mark down where the troops are when they deploy, like on a piece of paper (Army list is best)
It's not sleazy to obey the rules and players shouldnt whine about it, IMO 40k was way too open of a game with no room for surprises. But yes, it is a bit of an oversight on GW's part. As above, just have them mark down where the units are so they can show you when they deploy
Something I suggest doing:
Mark a number/letter on the underside of the vehicle using paint, pen, tape or whatever else You choose. They could also have the marking on a banner, flag, or anything applicable really.
Now, In Your army list:
HQ Unit 1 in Transport A
E Unit 2 in Transport B
T Unit 5 in Transport C
Of course, unscrupulous players won't care... But if You do this for Your own army, at least You can show the opponent at the time of vehicle destruction/ unit disembarkation/ etc that yes, it's the correct unit from the correct transport.
You'll probably even net Sportsmanship points in Tourneys... And if You do this, You'll be in a position to suggest other players to do this as well, for fairness sake. Most people shouldn't have anything against it (why should they, if they're legit?), and those that do... Well, I'd keep a close eye on their lists.
"The meat things seek to destroy ourselves. They hunt us as we hunt them but they are weak and uncertain. The inferior flesh will be entirely destroyed, all biomatter consumed. Ourselves will fight to the last, all weak flesh must be devoured."
Thats actually what I do.. the undersides of all my transports each have a different letter painted on them, and I label them on my army lists like "Squad A in transport A". Never occured to me before, but my local store made it mandatory a while back because some morally challenged people saw this loophole.
If anyone would play like that I would not play against them. Remember we play for fun, not to cheat and play unfairly.
I would play with them...I'd just casually put a 5lb sledge hammer down next to my dice. When asked what it's for I'd just say something about squads running from one vehicle to another.
its not really a big problem when i play. we ignore the rule and just say whats in what transport- problem solved. a lot of people use just one or even no transports. and the whole club kinda despises landraiders- i'd have more trouble taking down a falcon than a landraider. (falcons are great. i've just bought my 3rd one)
I know an orc speed freak player who played the old "what truck is my warboss in" game until we nailed him down and said since it's an open topped vehicle you have to put him in it. But I'm all for the hidden command squad in a rhino while your landraider is empty routine. Just as long as you have it written down beforehand.
*frantically writing down every transp...* wait a minute, we don't have any transports any longer...grr, darn GW-revoking-armorcast-licence!Originally posted by The Mad Hatter@Nov 6 2004, 06:26
I would play with them...I'd just casually put a 5lb sledge hammer down next to my dice. When asked what it's for I'd just say something about squads running from one vehicle to another.[snapback]245383[/snapback]
oh well, I'm in the clear then mr Sledge.
Unless the rules state that you have to declare what vehicle your guys are in you shouldnt have to. Now while this might seem unfair as units have the ability to "teleport" between vehicles it's really just a slight advantageto a play who puts a bunch of different units in his transports so that they can respond with the best unit. And I for one would play to win, because winning is fun so unless the rules say that I have to declare or write it down I'm not gonna.