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Hi there folks, a thought occured to me about the new serpent shields. They can be fired as a weapon now if the shields are deactivated. So how does the weapon destroyed result affect them? I'm going to list several possibilitys which spring to mind, going from what I believe the most like result is to the most unlikely.
A) They can no longer fire as a weapon but the shields still run as normal.
They cannot be destroyed by weapon destroyed results.
C) Both the weapon and the shields are gone for the rest of the game.
I think A is the most likely, would love option B to be true but fear it will be C. If anyone has any other theorys or even better yet an answer please write your responses below.
Is the serpent shield listed under the wave serpent's weapons? No? then it can not be destroyed by a weapon destroyed result (just like the monolith's portal can not)
Are the shields an upgrade? No codex so I can't read it.
If they are upgrades then I would look at what they are upgrades under, probably not weapons but just upgrades in general
If its just listed as baseline wargear (not an option You pay for) then it's harder to tell, if it was a weapon option I would say that at the very least I would suspect the firing ability could be destroyed.
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I think your first option is the more likely, FMcL. The Serpent Shield is treated as a hull-mounted weapon if it is used to shoot, and the shield is then down during your opponent's turn. If he then succeeds with a weapon destroyed result, I think that the Serpent Shield is now an option for him to choose since it is being treated as a weapon at the time of the damage result.
Obviously the answer will need to come from an FAQ, but that's how I would read it. Vehicle Damage Charts don't include taking away Siege shields or extra armour, so why would the Serpent Shield ability to defend its vehicle be treated any different?
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If 2 players in a game asked me I'd say no and here's my reasoning. It's not physically a weapon per se, it's a shield that just happens to do damage under certain criteria. You can blow off the turret weapons, or the underslung weaponry, but where is the shield? You can't kill what you can't see. Otherwise they would have to have an entry under vehicles for 'crewmember killed', and they don't. So I'd say no, simply because it's not actually a weapon and the 'weapon destroyed' is specifically that. Otherwise you could argue that shields and such can be removed which only a Vindicare assassin can do.
No, its not a weapon
It is treated as a weapon in the shooting phase if the eldar player chooses to deactivate the shield to fire and that is the only time
If you somehow managed to get a 'weapon destroyed' result on the wave serpent during its own shooting phase after it had declared to fire the shield... then maybe you would have an argument
Definitely need and FAQ. Until then the most reasonable course of action is to discuss it before hand with your opponent and mutually agree on how to play it. I'd probably defer to what my opponent wanted as this isn't a big enough issue for me to really fight over.
Because it can shoot at any time I'm inclined to call it a weapon all the time. I'd like to point out I haven't read the specific entry to the shields, if I were to I may change my mind.
Also, as Jboweruk I have to disagree with your reasoning. "Weapon destoyed" isn't limited to just ripping off the barrel of a weapon. It could be ammunition is hit/damaged, energy systems are disrupted, the targeting systems are critically damaged, or any other number of possibilities. Simply because you can see a weapon doesn't mean you should be unable to damage it. Likewise the current table can cover the effect of having a crew member killed. Immobilization could be a dead pilot. Weapon destroyed could be a dead gunner. Wreck could be the entire crew being dead. The reason they don't go into these specifics is because the effective result is all that matters.
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