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im looking through the new edition 40k rules and previous editions are starting to run together. In 4th edition are you allowed to use proxy miniatures? How are forge world miniatures addressed? How abaout models that don't yet exist? What about extreme conversions?
I saw a cool gun servitor conversion and it was SO extreme that it infringes on game play. this is the plasmacannon on sentinal legs in either WH or DH codex. The base size has rules implications as does the models' height. is this a legal playable model?
I don't have any forge world rule books, can someone tell me what their rules are? Forge world is not citadel miniatures, correct?
now here is a wired one, what about 'proxy conversions'? models that weren't originally meant to be used for something but have been converted to look like they could? Is this a legal playable model?
I'm looking for strict rules. i understand most reasonable players will let you get away with reasonable conversions and/or proxy, but what about tournys? what about unreasonable players?
As for non-tournament games, the rules matter more than the model. You should try and have a model that *looks* like the one you're representating. Height makes no difference, the height of the model is described in its rules
Forgeworld models have their own seperate rules, thus you use those
Tournament games are a bit different in that GW wants you to buy their dirt and therefore you can only use GW miniatures, or use them as the base model for conversions. Everything also must be WYSIWYG and look like the model of course
Proxies are up to you and your opponent
The size of a model has zero effect on gameplay, only the base size does. You can make a foot high gaunt and absolutely nothing about its height would effect the game.
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Not quite... Unfortunately GW was dumb enough to not make the LOS procedure completely based on standardized size classes.
You still use "model's eye view" unless dealing with a close combat or area terrain, where You use the size class. Page 20, "Line of Sight", first paragraph.
GW claims in the 4thEd rulebook that "model's eye view" is the best method, but I choose to disagree: The models are not to scale, individual terrain pieces are not to scale, and the models most clearly aren't always standing statically in bloody parade formation in the heat of combat!
Thus I'd suggest a house rule where LOS is always calculated using the standardized size class. Of course, this won't apply in tournaments, where it's bound to get interesting...
Hopefully they'll get it right in 5thEd in a few years!
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yep, years... <_<Hopefully they'll get it right in 5thEd in a few years!
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