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It has recently come to my attention that exactly what constitutes infantry is very poorly defined in the main rulebook.
I was of the opinion that the term "infantry", unless being used in a fluff sense, referred only to the units types listed as Infantry (ie, not Jump Infantry, Beasts, Cavarly, Bikes or Jetbikes).
Yet, the term infantry seems to be bandied about a little too freely in the rule book.
On P 9, the definition of Beasts & Cavalry actually refers to them as a form of infantry. (...like other infantry...)
This brings up questions like the use of tranports. The transport rules state that only infantry (lower case) can embark. Common sense aside, and this being the only instance I can find where what can and can't embark is listed, it could validly be argued that Roughriders should be able board a transport, because Cavalry is a form of infantry.
Even if that specific issue is dismissed out of hand as nonsensical (which, given the abstract nature of the ruleset isn't necessarilly a valid thing to do), it is less easy to say the same thing about, for example, Warp Spiders. Can they embus on a Falcon? The main rules certainly don't resolve that question clearly.
Has GW made an official comment on this issue?
I understand your dilema but I think you are whistling in the wind for GW to answer, in some cases, (Jump pack infantry, rough riders) the answer is self evident - no they cant embark) but spiders is a very dodgy one, it is open to interpretation but I would personnaly say no
Everything you have been told is a lie!
Yeah, look, I haven't got any issues myself. I believe the unit types listed at the start and end of the book are discrete entities, and I'm happy to play that way until shown good evidence to the contrary. I'm also not going to argue the point too much if someone really wants to stick his Spiders in a Falcon.
What bothers me is the sloppy editiing that let this through, and the potential for abuse or contention in formal environments (ie, Tournaments), or in pick up games, where a prior ruling is not made.
Though not likely to affect me personally, the uncertainty over situations like Warp Spiders in Falcons has the potential to cause conflict between otherwise reasonable players, which can't be a good thing.
LMAO..Personnaly, I wouldnt put spiders in a falcon, if someone tried I would be a little disgusted by probably let him get away with it. I think the key phrase here is "Reasonable" - I doubt you will get much conflict with these, it is the unreasonable ones, the powergames, who will argue the tossThough not likely to affect me personally, the uncertainty over situations like Warp Spiders in Falcons has the potential to cause conflict between otherwise reasonable players, which can't be a good thing
Everything you have been told is a lie!
For purposes of game play and the rules regarding Infantry with deployment/transport and what not, there is a chart in the back of the BGB. I think it is on page 264. It lists all the armies and their respective units and lumps them into groups (Infantry, Calvary/Beasts, Monstrous Creatures). This is what you should reference when you want to know which units are Infantry(or others).
I'm not positive on that page number, but it is in the back of the book and shouldn't be too hard to find.
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Well that is part of the problem with competative 40k, the judges generally dont know their stuff. If a judge allows this then Im sorry but he's an idiot and shouldnt be judging the event
Beasts and Cavalry are generally infantry mounted on something, so thats why they mention their similarity to infantry. However it doesnt matter because they are classified as BEASTS or CAVALRY *not* infantry therefore even tho it says they move like infantry in that little paragraph it doesnt take away from the fact that the header says they are BEASTS or CAVALRY and thus follow those rules, not infantry which has its own paragraph
Infantry is anything classed as such on hardcover page 264 or Macragge page 87.
If it's not listed as Infantry on the aforementioned lists, it can not embark on vehicles or start on table when Escalation is in play or count as Infantry for any other purposes either... Unless either the unit or the vehicle has special rules which make an exception.
Since Warp Spiders are not classed as Infantry and the Falcon has no special rules regarding models it can transport, Warp Spiders may not embark on a Falcon as per the rules on 4thEd page 62, left column, "Passenger Capacity", line six: "Only infantry..."
No, it doesn't say "Infantry", and as such it could be a generic reference and not one to the aforementioned lists. However, I feel it's quite enough to show clear intention... Feel free to argue, won't get far with me or with most others either.
The references to "infantry" in the Beast/Cavalry and other specialty unit type rules is a reference that they follow the normal rules for these actions (like moving as normal). This does not make them "infantry" in regards to being a rule definition... That's what the tables are for.
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