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are you alowed to measure ranges?
cus i was watching(well, actaully i was talking to a guy playing) a game and i got the tape measure out to see how far a band or hormagaunts were from and sm squad and another guy said i couldnt do that. example: he said that if i had two targets, a vehicle and a squad of men, the vechle is in range but the men are not, he said that if i choose to shoot the men and they turned out to be out of range(which they were) that my men would have their shooting wasted for that turn, and i would not be able to target the dreadnought.
that would mean players need rulers in the brains, were they telling the truth, if so where can i see this in the rule books?
Top of page 22, for the shooting. Page 36 for charging, though here it only implies that you cannot measure before charging, it doesn't state specifically.
And yes, it does mean you need a ruler in your brain.
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Page 19 of the Battle for Macragge rulebook says this in the Exceptions part for Choosing a Target...Also on page 22 of the same book it says...You may not measure the range to a target before choosing.All weapons have a maximum effective range that tells you the furthest distance they can shoot. If your target is beyond this maximum range then your shot misses automatically. This is why you have to choose your target before measuring the range.
Most important rule when facing any army with the Imperials is that you have to play like you have nothing to lose. Go big, or go home. Play like you have a pair. You cannot fight the enemy with subtlety or else you will get demolished.
estimating distances is part of the skill of a good player. In the fog-of-war regular troops aren't going to be able to easily decide or estimate these things, so why should you have a tape measure laid out before making your decision?
I actually like the guessing distances thing, it can play hell with someone trying to get into assault range and *just* quite not making it (rapid fire)... It can also mess you up if you want to rapid fire, say you decide to move because you are pretty positive you will be within 12", but once you do it you only get 3 or 4 guys in 12" range, well too late now...
It isn't that hard, sometimes I'll pull out the measuring tape and just look and see what 6" looks like (not on the board or anything), then I'll look at the board and kinda guess how far I am out. Also the boards are a fixed dimension, so guessing what is 24" is kinda easy since it is ussually 1/2 the board (on a 4'x4'.
Also for blast markers, and for counting models in combat, a base is 1", so if a model isn't in b2b with another model it doesn't count as a full cover for a blast weapon, and if a model is more than 2 model bases away from a b2b model in combat it is out.
You will get the hang of it, it makes the game a bit more interesting.
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Yep, and it's totally realistic to. It's totally acceptable to fire at something that you estimated to be within range, but after you pull the trigger you notice that your weapon has lost all accuracy after the shots have been fired.
You learn something new everyday. Next you play you'll know that you can not measure before you fire.
actually i tried to do that too, are those page references for version 3 or 4 rule book.
at my club they say its always been like that, any references for the old rule book
Kiradia's, page references are for the 4thEd rules... And note that the page number is the same for both softcover (Battle for Macragge = BFM) and hardcover (Big Grey Book = BG editions.
The BFM and BGB are identical on pages 2-86, which contains the basic rules and the Standard scenario listings.
"Existing Unit Types" can be found on page 87 BFM or page 264 BGB.
For the old 3rdEd references:
Page 47, "2. Check Range", first paragraph: "All weapons..."
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thanks dood, thats a great help.