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if units can infiltrate, do they move 6 inches before everyone else moves, or do they automaticly start really clost to the enemy?
They can start within 12" of the enemy if not in LOS or 18" if in LOS. Scout is when you make a free move before the game begins
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my friend says that in the new edition of the 40k rulebook that scouts and infiltrators are the same thing so they can get the 12" thing and the 6" move.
We have a battle on wednsday, so I want to get this resolved before the battle so we do not argue
The scouts special rule and the Infuiltrate special rule are very different. Having one does not give you the other. Infiltrators set up aftfer all other units and may begin play anywhere on the table so long as they are 18" away from the enemy or 12" away in cover. The scouts special rule allows a unit to make a free movement at the begining of the game after deployment but before you roll to see who goes first. Some units do have both these rules, but your friend is incorrect in saying that having one gives you both. It is quite clearly stated in the rulebook what these abilities let you do.
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Just because one of you might be playing a squad that has "scouts" in it's name, doesn't mean they get the special rule "scouts". I play Space Marines and the troop choice of SM Scouts do not get the special rule scouts, but do get two other special rules as listed in the codex.
Something else to note is that under the rule for Infiltrators, it states that the unit must be more than a certain distance away, if they can be seen or not. So even if your enemy has infiltrate and can place them so they can't be seen, he will not be able to move and assault your closest unit on the first turn.
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Unless your opponent is infiltrating raptors (out of line of site but 12.1 inches to 17.9 inches) away. In which case he will be in charge range even if he is 17.9 inches away.Originally Posted by Gojiratoho
It's all so confusing. :huh: :o :cool:
On infiltrators rules it is more than 12 unseen and more than 18 seen.