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Sorry, one more question....
Q: Independant characters cant clame objectives, correct? But what about monsterous creatures like Wraithlords, Avatars and Carnefix, can they clame objectives?
Ive look through my rule book and i cant find an answer.
A Rhino? SLOTH!
4thEd page 85, "Victory Points Table".
Avatar might be Monstrous, but is still an IC and thus does not count as a scoring unit.
Wraithlords and Carnifexes are normal MCs, and thus count as a non-vehicle unit for the purposes of the VPT.
"The meat things seek to destroy ourselves. They hunt us as we hunt them but they are weak and uncertain. The inferior flesh will be entirely destroyed, all biomatter consumed. Ourselves will fight to the last, all weak flesh must be devoured."
Ar, so MC just count as a unit for the perposses of scoring. Thanks
A Rhino? SLOTH!
sorry to interfere but the avatar is now just a monstrous creature (FAQ'd), no longer an ic. so it can claim.
the statured daemon prince still however retains its ic status as well as becoming an IC
but a regular MC can claim objectives etc. as long as its above half strength, ie has more than half the # of wounds on its profile left.
Incorrect, why would he NOT be an IC? Please look at the Eldar codex before posting confusing informationsorry to interfere but the avatar is now just a monstrous creature (FAQ'd), no longer an ic. so it can claim.
He is still an IC and a MC just as he has been since the Eldar codex came out
Actually this is debatable.
The FAQ states:
The Avatar is a monstrous creature, as descibed on page 55 of the revised Warhammer 40,000 rulebook.
This indicates the previous rules associated with the Avatar, including his pseudo-independant character status are now null, and he just uses the normal Monstrous Creature rules from page 55. If that is so the Avatar can be now lumped in with the Wraithlords and Carnifexen as a normal MC, including their rules for holding objectives.
I agree. If it were still an independant character, the FAQ should have stated that in addition to saying that it is a monstrous creature. After all, the codex already specifies the Avatar as a monstrous creature and there is no reason to reiterate that fact unless it is to redefine the Avatar as being -only- a monstrous creature.
EDIT: In contrast, Chaos Greater Demons are still monstrous independant characters and the FAQ does not change this.
Sigh.. The reason the FAQ says that is because, again if you read the Eldar codex, in the Avatars description it gives *Different* rules for what a monstrous creature is
Therefore because the Avatar uses different MC rules the FAQ clarifies that he uses the new MC rules. Anyway you're free to play that the Avatar is no longer an IC, just be prepared to be wrong
It might be an oversight, the Chaos FAQ does not reiterate or change Greater Demons' status. The Necron FAQ also does not reiterate anything for Tomb Spiders. All three codices use the same definition for monstrous creatures. This leads me to believe that it is not necessary to reiterate what a unit is unless it is being redefined.
Just because hes a MC doesnt mean the rest of his profile is changed heh.. the FAQ also doesnt say hes a demon, it doesnt say he has inspiring presence, nor does it say he has an invulnerable save..
Just try to understand what Im saying is all.. Keep in mind that there was a large debate during 3rd edition about the Avatar. Every single other MC in 3rd edition that was also an IC had a special targetting rule allowing people to target them, the avatar did not therefore you could not target him.. People who didnt understand rules argued you could
GW put this in the FAQ to make sure people read the new MC rules to eliminate the debate over the Avatar..