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Hi, I can't find this in search as it won't let you search for acronyms, so sorry in advance. I'm sure this has come up before.
Where do I get the Vehicle Design Rules? I heard they was in CA2004 but that seems to be unavailable now. Are they on the GW website as well? Kroot Mercs, Feral Orks, Armoured Company and other stuff from CA2004 is freely available on the GW site now, so I'm hoping the VDR are too but I can't find em.
They were in CA2004, which might pop up on Ebay sometimes, but otherwise I'm not sure where you can find it.
I CAN tell you, however, that I have a program on my computer called VDR Vehicle Generator (Or something like that) and it is a little windows proggie that will let you design vehicles using the rules that were in CA2004.
The downside to this proggie is that it doesn't TELL you the rules, it just lists your options and when you select the options it tells you how much it costs... ect. Personally, I use this proggie all the time to come up with the weird creations that are floating around in my head.
Cool thanks H0urg1ass. Where'd you get that programme?
So, if chapter approved 2004 is out of print, that means someone can scan the VDR for me and send em to me as a PDF right? I mean it's not piracy if the product is not for sale. You're not damaging GW's market in any way. Right?
You know what dude, I looked ALL over the internet one day to try and find that program again and I couldn't find it anywhere. I even got the program off of a link from a LO post, but I scoured the search options and couldn't find any mention of the program, so I'm thinking that that post was scrubbed a while back.
Also, I once promised someone here that I would scan and email something for them and I still haven't got around to doing it to this day. I would tell you that I could get that to you, but I'm afraid my resources are quite limited in Korea and that's where my CA2004 is....
Geeez, I must be the most unhelpful helper that you've ever met. Sorry, I couldn't help you more. :rolleyes:
As for the copyright, it doesn't matter. A publication has to be out of print for a certain number of years (generally about 30+ I think) before the content becomes public domain. It was in a past WD so I suggest calling up mail order and asking about back issues. I don't know which issue it was, but they have a database to help track it down.
Ah that's cool. Thanks for trying anyway.
If anyone else can help me out that would be awesome. I'm making a genestealer cult and I think some fast buggys with heavy stubbers on would do the trick nicely (sort of like Ork wartraks or trukks).
EDIT: Just read Corianis' post. Why don't they just put it up on their site with the other bitz from CA2004? Are they deliberately trying to hamper my creativity or something?
Last edited by Kahoolin; September 27th, 2005 at 07:14. Reason: I think I may have been breaking forum rules
A possible reason could be that the other part are tournament legal, while the VDR are not.
I don't know why they aren't tournament legal either. I'm beginning to think alot of 40k tourney players are a bit too uptight.
All GW rules are designed to be balanced, if they aren't balanced enough to be used fairly then why have them at all? It seems as if people cry cheese or whatever at anything that's a little unexpected. Like the forgeworld stuff, I couldn't care less, in fact I'd be happy if someone came at me with a forgeworld tank I'd never seen before. It gives me the opportunity to find new tactics. They have legitimate points values. But if it's not in someone's little plan with their meticulous army designed to defeat all comers they freak out.
"What's that? I've never seen one of those before! Anything I'VE never heard of can't be legal! It's not fair, I should know the exact capabilities of everything I face! How do I know how to beat it?" That's the point you don't. Its boring if you know all the variables.
I realize tournaments have to have rules but really anything that's been published (like Forgeworld or VDR) should be legal IMHO. I'm starting to agree with the forgeworld argument that by agreeing to play you are agreeing its' OK for your opponent to field anything they like that has been published and "exists" in the universe of 40k.
Or maybe it's just because GW wants to make sure every single dollar spent goes directly to them. No Forgeworld, no scratch-built or converted stuff. (Too cynical?)
I read a cool quote the other day, something along the lines of "A hobby should have room for creativity and personalization, it shouldn't just be buying finished products off the shelf. Surely that's just shopping."
Rant over. Sorry bout that. I like tournaments but I'm getting frustrated with how unnecessarily (IMHO) restricted they are.
Last edited by Kahoolin; September 27th, 2005 at 08:54.
The main reason that they aren't tourney legal is because they were developed and balanced for the 3rd edition rules. They also came out after most of the 3rd edition codices had been released. Changes to the core rules with the release of 4th edition, particularly the Vehicle rules which got a substantial overhaul, meant that there was no guarantee that the VDR were still balanced to the extent that a tourney requires. Rejigging the VDR rules hasn't been a very high priority for GW what with 4th edition codices, a new WHFB edition and associated Armies books, and all those little tweaks that any new edition requires (which are released every now and then as FAQ'sĀ¹).
Also, I suspect that as the current VD Rules are "good enough" for friendly play and club games with house rules and not many GW Tournament players use custom vehicles there will be a long wait until the VDR are updated to be fully balanced in 4th Ed.
Ā¹Note to any GW guys reading this: Can we get something in CA about the Death Watch rules? A few questions have been raised, notably whether the DW upgrade to Codex Marines gives them True Grit, and the firing modes of the DW Heavy Bolter. Thanks.