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    Slow And Purposeful and Initiative 1

    According to the Chaos Space Marine FAQ by GW the only change to Slow and Purposeful is the removal of the Sweeping Advance Portion, but the 4th Edition 40k book states (under Universal Special Rules) that these rules fully replace their instances in the preprinted Codexes. 4th Ed book makes no mention of the attacking on Initiative 1 that is listed under Slow and Purposeful for Marines with the Rubric Sign and Obliterators. What my question boils down to is this, Which takes precidence the Chaos Space Marine FAQ by GW or the 4th Edition Rule book? Also I would like to know if there is any official basis for the answer or merely personal opinion/bias.

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    Whichever is more recent.

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    in every other faq/codex it says replace the rule with the generic one from the rulebook. this is not the case here, so it depends on where you're playing and what your opponent lets you play with. if they're nice to you use the one in the rulebook. if they insist on following the rules exactly then you've got to use the ones in the chaos codex but ignore the sweeping advance bit.

    technically you've got to use the codex version because it hasn't been officially changed yet

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    I would say go with the FAQ, it is on their site so I think they would have changed it (easier than recalling and changing books) and it is a special rule for that specific unit, otherwise it would have referred you to the Rulebook


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    The rulebook takes precedence, becase it specifically says so. This is the official answer, because it is printed in the rulebook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anacron
    The rulebook takes precedence, becase it specifically says so. This is the official answer, because it is printed in the rulebook.
    So does that apply to all rules, or just the listed ones in the faq? Look at eldar and you see that the rule book doesn't replace all.
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    however it wouldn't be the first time that they have said that the codex rules take precedence over the new rule book.

    otherwise you can have infiltrating khorne lords with jump packs.

    this was discussed and it was decided that under certain specific situations (fluff points normally, ie khorne infiltrating), the codex would take precedence as by the new rules there are no exceptions listed in the main rule book as to who can use these rules. so these models would be technicaly legal, (but completely against their history), the same goes for them having demonic speed and then adding infiltrate, and blood rage.

    this would mean (and legal by letter of the rules as they stand right now (no exceptions remember)) that you can have a infiltrating khorne lord with blood rage and demonic speed.

    so this guy would have to deploy a maximum more than 18'' from their opponents forces.

    and he has his 6+ d6 blood rage move, then a fleet of hoof d6, then in the assault phase a 12'' assault move.

    so he would have a guarenteed move of 7'' in one turn with a possability of having a 30'' move per turn, all for a total of 40 pts

    this is the main reason that they have said that the codex restrictions on who can do/take what still apply, but follow the new rules in their execution.

    so the question to ask is the strike last a fluff point or not.
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    why? in the eye of terror and pretty much any other FAQ it says you replace the rules

    eye of terror 13th co example:
    "the scouts special rule is the same as that presented in the warhammer 40,000 universal special rules"

    however in the chaos FAQ it says they take precedence:
    "veteran skills that are printed in the USR section of the warhammer 40,000 rulebook always take precedence over those printed in ...codex"

    one is replaced completely, the other one is less clear about what happens...

    more importantly, as slow and purposeful isn't a veteran skill and so is ignored by the above statement you can read on and find in the section on obliterators and tzeentch that you "ignore the reference to sweeping advance..." not you replace it for the USR.

    as to my actual position as a player i'd let you use the USR one and strike at initiative.

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