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Im starting a new guard army and while im building it i want to ally some imperial guard to my spacemarines but ive heard that you cannot do this.
Is this true? Can you ally imperial guard to spacemariens and if not where are the rules for who can ally with who?
If guard cannot be allied to spacemarines can space marines be allied to guardsmen?
I don't believe those two particular armies can ever ally with each other. You might be able to come close, however, but the only real Guard unit you could have are Inquisitorial Stormtroopers.Originally Posted by Bear
You can find the rules in both the Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters Codex. Both armies have options for inducting Imperial Guard or Space Marines, but they have a caveat that they can't do both at the same time.
You could use Grey Knights in an Imperial Guard list, though. Not specifically Space Marines, but they come close.
To sum it up:
* You may NOT take IG and SM in the same army.
* You MAY take two seperate Force Organization Charts (FOCs), one containing a full legal IG army and one containing a full legal SM army, as long as you have your opponent's permission.
* You can mimic a similar type of army by playing Daemonhunters with inducted Imperial Guard. Grey Knights are a specialized type of space marines that are a part of the Daemonhunters list.
Please don't double post new threads - this exact same thread is also in the SM forum.
thanks for the help guys (even if it makes no sense 2 imperial armies cant ally :wacko: ).
sorry about the double post it was recommended that i move it here. how can i close the thread in the sm section?
The reason they can't ally in background terms is simply because they fight in two completly different styles, space marines are shock troops used for eliete missions Imperial Guard probably wouldn't survive or are entirly unsuitable for. Imperial Guard for there part rely on massed tank and Infantry formations and take part in attacks of such scale that a single squad of marines would be wasted. In a campaign or war the two forces MIGHT work together but rarely in the same battle, As a crude real life example the SAS or Delta force don't patrol the streets in Iraq that is left to the grunts.
That is completly apart from the fact that some chapters are feared and even hated by Imperial Guard forces for their psycotic nature such as the Flesh Tearers while others such the Dark Angels have their own agenda and wouldn't whish to get bogged down in a Imperial Guard campaign. Finally space marines are very rare a Imperial guardsman could fight for 35 years and never even see one let alone fight along side one.
Hope that explains it.
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The IG used to fight alongside the SM before the Horus Heresy. This proved deadly when the traitor legions turned against the Emperor as many IG forces under direct traitor SM control turned with them. After the ensuing civil war the Imperial forces were separted into the IG and the Imperial Navy. The Marine legions were also divided up into much smaller chapters and were banned from having direct control over IG forces.
Just out of curiousity, whats next? Maybe you can make an issue about the fact that GW didn't define the action of 'rolling' a D6 to actually mean dropping it in such a manner as to produce a random result; thus making it perfectly acceptable to just put them down with the face up of your choice?
What about that whole chapter approved article a while back in White Dwarf with those guys, the whosawatsits SM guys that are from different chapters, but fight together. The Deathwatch. You could take a unit of those guys with those rules, right? I don't know about the tourny playability of those guys, but whatever.
I just check armybuilder (i know it ain't perfect) and it allows you to take them as an ally.
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Yes, you may take a Deathwatch Killteam (which is a squad of elite Marines) in a Guard army. But it isn't tourney legal, no.
If you hold out, the Ordo Xenos codex is supposed to update Killteams and make them 100% legal. But GW hasn't even given us a confirmed release date for that codex yet...