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So, to get it out of the way, yes, I *am* new to the game. Let the poo-pooing of the n00b be resolved. I did check the FAQ and did not find an answer to this - most likely because it is obvious in the main book, and I simply missed it in my fervor to get through the rules.
Now, this question comes as a result of my building a 160 point Techmarine, which topic can be found in the Space marine section. He has a toughness of 4, as well as a servo-harness and an iron-halo, giving him a +2 save and +4 inv save. THEN, lets suppose Random enemy smacks down on Techmarine with a power fist. The Power Fist ignores his normal save, so I was assuming that I would then get the inv. save - hence, why I gave him an iron halo. HOWEVER, here is this insta-kill rule. If the wielder of said power fist has a S of 4, which the power fist turns into S 8, that is twice the Techmarine's toughness.
So..ignore inv save and take one automatic wound?
or ignore inv save, and die, regardless of wounds left
or I get my inv. save and be happy?
You get your inv. save and if you fail it you suffer instant death (and go splat).
But if you pass all is well =)
hurra!! That's what I'm talking about! Thank you much Outsider. I'll take that 50/50 and avoid power fists.Originally Posted by The_Outsider
Hey, along those same lines, is the 5+ inv save on Termies just for Close Combat, or is it a broad inv save? My 205 pnt Librarian in Termie armor is literally dying to know. I had toyed with giving him an Armored mantle but dang that sob is expensive
The terminator armour inv. save is (as you put it) a broad inv. save, so you can use it against shooting and close combat.
For space marines only the storm shield and combat shield have close combat only inv. save.
T. armour and mantle is a great combo, but costs a bomb so I would only use if you can spare the points (or you want an uber uber character).
Well Outsider, I think you just solved my dilemma, and it goes hand in hand with the fluff of the Stormcrows Chapter.Originally Posted by The_Outsider
There is no way I'm fielding my uber-techmarine without the iron halo, he would be too fragile. And my termie librarian is my biggest HQ choice. I want the Mantle on him as you say, making him much tougher. They are both close combat monsters, but I cannot field them both while wearing those relics - only one. SO...here's the fluff, or a snippet, to help explain that. Eventually I'll finish the Chapter Founding fluff and post it in the correct area, with this addendum, inspired by one Outsider.
The Librarian will have led a charge of a subset of Raven Guard after having a prophetic dream. In the ensuing battle, which eventually gets those troops awarded with their own Chapter, he gets shredded by the Necron Lord. To be kept alive he is entombed in ancient termie armor. However, this just keeps him alive, but damage is extensive. The buff techmarine who sided with the Librarian in the assault is himself heavily augmented, not only with a servo harness but with extensive bionics - he is more machine than man. The technology behind his bionics is ancient and powerful. The techmarine's bionic bio-engine is removed from him and put into the Librarian, so the Librarian can function, during which time the Techmarine is kept alive by the servoharness, but cannot function. And if the Librarian is not to be fielded, it is put back into the Techmarine.
So, only one can be fielded at a time, which will be fine considering the relics, and it goes with the fluff. Like? Or Cheese?
And now to find a Mantle to put on the termie fig...hmm...
Sounds innotive if nothing else.
I (being the fluff nazi that I am sometimes) would think the librarian would be in a dreadnaught, but who's to say the librarian's suit if armour is new? maybe it predates the imperium and is literally a mini dreadnaught?
Either way, its nice and is hardly cheese.
A fluff nazi eh? That's good to know. OK, here's a slightly different take on it -
the Librarian was in termie armor going into the combat. The Necron Lord used his WarScythe to mangle up our poor Librarian, and its phasing blade literally mangled flesh and steel together. The termie armor faithfully kept the mind of the librarian alive, but his body was shreds melded into iron ribbons. Repairs were made to the termie armor, but it could not act with the Librarian's inert body, and the Librarian could not be removed from it. So the Techmarine stepped up and volunteered his very core to the Librarian. This very old and wise techmarine engineered a housing for his core in the librarian, adapting it. No simple bionics would do here, only this techmarine's ancient and complex bionic core could reanimate the Librarian's torn body, and in the meantime the techmarine's servoharness would keep the techmarine's mind alive. So they share this one ancient relic, this bio-engine. In return for their sacrifices to the Imperium, the Librarian was given the Mantle, hopefully to keep him from such a fate again, and the Techmarine was given Iron Halo.