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I looked over the rule book and didn't see anything on this. Possible that I missed it so if so please list the page.
My question is this.
When should one prepare their army list...
Should you know what race your opponent is playing ahead of time?
Should you just have a set list to use?
Make adjustments based on what the opponent is playing?
Who the hell cares... just write it up and get it out there... points are points!?
I do get annoyed when I am placing out my army (since my list is already done) and I see my opponent sitting their writing up there list still. I don't think its cheating but it feels kinda lame to me.
It's up to you. You really should have a list ready ahead of time, but whether you tailor that according to who or what you are playing is the player's choice.
I prefer an all-comers list, others don't.
By tailoring a list you don't really learn how to use your army in circumstances where tailoring is not an option - i.e. tournaments.
Having an army and not owning a rulebook is like owning a car with no steering wheel.Originally Posted by amishcellphone
I find it only fair to have a list prepared ahead of time. Whether you know what your opponent is fielding or not depends on the situation. Generally I don't know what my opponent is fielding, but I do know what race I'm fighting. Therefore I tailor to the race. Recently I've tried to use a core army for tournaments with only one or two squads being switched or upgraded depending on the army. Also, occasionly my friend hands me his list and says, design something to stomp it. I think it's unfair to change or design your list as you are deploying though. But it's not illegal.
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General courtesy says to have a list prepared beforehand. If you make it an all-comers list or if you set up matches beforehand against specific armies and tailor to that, thats your call. But making someone sit around and wait? Not too cool.
If you don't feel comfortable with a single list for all situations, bring a few of them. Or you could make a set list with a few modular sections - say two different 500pt blocks that you can choose one of to add to your standard 1500pts, making two entirely different 2000pt lists - that can be swapped in versus specific foes.
I have always tryed to pre-make a few diffrent rosters before each gaming event with my friends, then i would roll to see which one i am going to use, keeps things interesting as well as forces me to get used to using diffrent things in diffrent situations.
That's a neat idea. When I don't have to proxy as much (i.e. have enough cash to finish building my army) I might try that.
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Custom-tailoring you list can be fun, but only when both sides are doing it. If I arrange a game with a friend we may decide before hand to play with special lists made for fighting eachother.
Before your game. Honestly, if somebody showed up to play me and didn't even have their list, I'd call it off. I don't care if it takes you ten minutes to make a list- that's absolutley ridiculous.Originally Posted by VlorlichIt all depends on if he tells you or not. If your question is should you know, as in "is my opponent obligated to tell me" then, no. Far as I know, you have no right to a) ask him, or for him to b) tell you what army he's playing.Should you know what race your opponent is playing ahead of time?You'll probably find after playing a few games that you start making lists that look very, very similar regardless of who you're facing. Certain elements of your lists will always show up, so while nobody is going to say "yes, you should have a set list", chances are, you'll probably end up playing one eventually because your list will eventually evolve into something that fits your style of play- your strengths and weaknesses.Should you just have a set list to use?I think unless your in a campaign or some other kind of setting which would justify this, it shouldn't be done. I mean, knowing the race you're playing against is one thing- knowing the actual units is another because you watched me play a game last week and are showing up with something specifically to take out my particuluar units, that's another.Make adjustments based on what the opponent is playing?Like I said, it isn't asking much for somebody to show up ready to play. I mean, if you show up without an army list, should I also have to wait for your paint to dry? Come on.I do get annoyed when I am placing out my army (since my list is already done) and I see my opponent sitting their writing up there list still. I don't think its cheating but it feels kinda lame to me.
Point is, my time is valuable. I don't have all day to stand around in the game store. I show up, I want to play. You show up not ready to play, expecting me to wait, it is saying to me that my time doesn't mean anything to you. And if my time doesn't mean anything to you, well, see ya. I'm finding another opponent or I'm outta there.
If you have somebody that is chronically late, try this- say you're going to start playing at 70. If he isn't there by 7:10, he automatically loses the table edge roll. If he isn't there by 7:20, you get to place scenery. Not there by 7:30, you get to pick the scenario. If he isn't there by 7:40, you get to decide whether to go first or second. 7:50, you get a victorious slaughter.
Works pretty well in my experience, espeically in league type situations.
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If you or anyone tailors a list to the army they are playing is completely unsportsmanlike, unless it is agreed on by both players and they both do it, or it is a battle report from WD. YOu should make 1-3 lists, but usually pick one, and stick with it. Then after you find that the list has a weakness tweak it, but don't completely change it. Like diversify your weapons or pick an army that is made for all around. Thinkt hat you are in a tourny and won't get a chance to change the list, yet you don't know who you are playing. Make a list that would cover everyone and yet making yourself strong. Tailoring is very stupid and when people are still making a liost when you are ready to play a game is very annoying.
I have to agee with everyone. The lists should be already made befor you play. In the league I am in we can pick who we want to play.This is for the Medusa V campaign. I make a list for each player I fight. So far I have fought Necrons and Nids. Next week I fight Chaos(World Eaters). I only tailor the list to the race. The units they bring to the table I can only guess at. That being said I can only make a list that will work against his/her army.
If I was to play in an RTT I would makea general list for all comers. Like everyone said you have no idea what you will face. All you can do is make a list that you think will do well.
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