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I was playing a speed freak player this weekend . He had bunch trukks and I thought since it was open topped I could see who was what in each vehicle. For example mek boss in that trukk etc. Since he had no models in his trukks. he informed that you do not have to tell your oppenent what is in the open topped vehicles or show you the models.
What he right?
He is right. It's a rule of secrecy - you do not have to share what is inside a transport, regardless of Open-Topped or not. It's a courtesy to do so, but it's not required. :yes:Originally Posted by bonekrusher
edit: However, it should be pretty obvious if you think about it. Usually during deployment you must deploy your units in a specific order - HQ being one of those orders - so when they deploy their HQ it should be obvious which Trukk, etc. they are in.
Anyone who won't tell you what is in each transport is not an opponent worth playing, imo. On a related note, I was at the Chicago GT last weekend, and in their rules packet, they specifically stated that you could ask your opponent who was in transports.
If you knew what was in each trukk/rhino/falcon the player with the transports would lose everytime.
"So I see your command squad is in that rhino, it dies first".
Thats what makes rhino rush type armies dangerous, you never know who's in what.
Which is fine for rhinos.
But I mean, come on, a Trukk is a Truck, you should be able to physically 'see' what is in it.
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Naturally you can ask - nobody said you couldn't.Originally Posted by moob
However, there is a section in the BGB where it even talks about the rule of secrecy and not having to state who's in what transport... so, while you can ask, it didn't specifically state that your opponent had to tell you, did it?
Honestly, I'm of the opinion that someone who won't play you because you won't give your entire army's secret away isn't worth playing. Kind of vice versa of you here, moob.
Sure a Trukk is a "truck" but why can you see what's in it? Say you modelled it with canvas over it - giving no armour or protection at all, but hiding what you see? Like some current military vehicles?
It stated: 'A Note on Secrecy: Your opponent can inspect your army roster, including asking you what is in each transport vehicle.' If that's not a "you must tell them", why would they even mention it?Originally Posted by Lost NemesisThe problem is that people can then cheat you if they won't tell you which transport contains which unit. "Oh, you blew that transport up? Well, uh, yeah... that's the one with the regular squad / no hq in it." I know most people wouldn't do something like that, but I know some players personally who want to win so badly that they would.Originally Posted by Lost Nemesis
And if an army's entire strategy revolves around getting a transported hq unit into combat, then they should take other means to do it instead of secrecy.... Such as screening it with another transport to block LoS, make better use of terrain, etc.
That is precicesly why each of my transports (Falcon, Rhino, etc) is painted unique (Some identifying numbers/rune/whatever).Originally Posted by moob
That way, when I buy a transport for my unit I write down on my army list: Seer Council - wave serpent 'Sun' TL Starcannon ###points.
Tactical Squad Grabacr - Rhino 09 - Pintle Storm Bolter, Extra Armor
I'm not telling you which transport carries what, you can call me a bad sport if you want, but I'm not going to hand you victory points by telling you which transport is more important than the other. If you want to 'make sure' that it is right, I will show you that part of my army list. I guess we won't be playing each other... since, as you saidA shame really.Originally Posted by moob
I know there are some unscrupulous payers out there. I am not one of them.
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Going on what Forsaken said -
I am not of the opinion that you have to tell people what are in your transports, however, I am of the opinion that your transports should be different in some way, and those differences noted on the army list, so that it's impossible to cheat say, when you disembark a unit, etc.
Just because someone doesn't want to share what's inside their vehicle does not make them a cheater, and it's sad to live in a world where that seems to be assumed. It's really not that hard of a situation to avoid, as long as your opponent has it marked on their army list.
that pretty much sums it up. the rules tell you don't have to tell anyone anything. If you find me a poor sport and someone that you wouldn't want to play, you've made up my mind as to how much you know the rules, and I'm glad I won't be gaming against you.Originally Posted by BGB p 81 under DEPLOY FORCES
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