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This came up during last nights intense combat between Blood Angels and Orks:
A looted Leman Russ (with red paint job)had a break down failure and was forced to go 7" straight ahead. I argued that he could not fire his battlecannon since he was forced to move more that 6". He ofcourse wanted to fire it.
I believe that red paint job only applies to a volontary move giving an extra "freebee" inch, and should not be used to remove an inch when moving involontary.
the red paint job doesnt say anything about 'voluntary movement' (from memory), so i'd say that it counted as only moving 6"
EDIT: just read the red paint job entry, it says that they add 1" to all moves... so he actually would have had to move 8" and count as moving 7" i believe...
Last edited by Ling_Lover; October 19th, 2006 at 14:26.
If it says it adds 1 inch to all moves, then my intuition is to go with the regular rule that if you move more than 6" you may not fire ordinance. Absent a rule to the contrary for his looted vehicles, I'd stick with that as the guideline. Unfortunately this ruling would not be very helpful for your friend, but may be a reason to avoid using red paint in the future.
Are there more rules that could possibly affect the outcome of this debate?
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We've had this up on the WAAAGH before, and we tend to come to the conclusion that you CAN move 7" (AKA 6"+1") and still fire ordinance.
However, and this gets at what you were talking about, you can not use it to subtract an inch from a movement you made. That was found to be both against the spirit of the rules and beardy. He could have moved 8" (the 7" break-down test result + the 1" RPJ), but he can not claim that he in reality moved just one inch (mostly because the RPJ says nothing about subtracting, and all about adding).
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I read it as HAVING to move the extra inch, it doesnt say 'may add 1"' it says that it doesOriginally Posted by citybeatnik
with normal movement you dont have to move the maximum range, but with a brekdown you do, so i'd say its 8" if you roll a 7, etc.
I don't quite understand this argument.
Red Paint makes you move 1" further. I don't think he "has" to use the red paint. Otherwise technically he can never remain motionless and always have to move that 1".
It also specifically says this extra movement doesn't count for how far you moved for shooting purposes. If he rolled a 7 he counted as moving more than 6". He may either move 7" or 8" depending on whether he wanted to use his red paint or not.
let me quote the orks codex...Originally Posted by LordLinki dont see an option there... as far as i can tell its saying that the 1" is added, no optionsOriginally Posted by Orks Codex
so that would mean that you would have to move the 1" at all times, going by the RAW
Last edited by Ling_Lover; October 20th, 2006 at 08:56.
Hmm thats a good point Ling_Lover.
It usually wouldn't matter as you just choose to drop an inch from your normal movement. However for compulsory moves it does indeed force you the extra inch.
I stand corrected.
Although it still has no impact on whether or not he can fire the big gun on the tank.
You can still choose to not move(well not in this case, but you get my point), hence no extra 1". but any(any) movement gets the extra bonus no matter what you'd like the vehicle to do. It makes things bizarrely erratic.
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