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hola to all at the librarium!
i'm thinking of starting another chaos army and i have a couple questions. i haven't played chaos since 2nd edition (or was it third? the codex has abaddon on the cover), although i've been reading the codex a lot. here it goes...
1. does the 'ageless enemies' rule apply to the lost and the damned list?
e.g.: could i field an arch heretic with the mark of tzeentch and use nurgle demons?
2. does the 'ageless enemies' rule apply to CSM allies of a lost and the damned army, and if it does, how so (does it count both armies as one)?
example: could i field an arch heretic with the mark of tzeentch and use nurgle demons as allies?
example 2: could i field an allied chaos lord with the mark of khorne and field slaaneshi demons, allied or not?
3. if i have an arch heretic and an allied chaos lord, who is the commander for the purpose of the 'ageless enemies' rule?
4. the lost and the damned army list says:
"the lost and the damned often call forth daemons onto the battlefield. all the rules in codex: chaos space marines apply to daemon summoning by the lost and the damned. traitor and mutant units can be upgraded to include chaos icons to enable daemon summoning. agitators and bosses may not be daemonvessels."
yet there is no mention of this upgrade in the traitor or mutant entries. in addition, neither traitors nor mutants have an option for a mark of chaos (with one exeption), a prerequisite for carrying an icon in the CSM codex. the exeption: the only way for a traitor or mutant unit to get a mark of chaos is to be joined by an aspiring champion with the mark of chaos undivided (no other marks are applied to the unit led by a champion). so here's the question:
for my traitor or mutant units to summon daemons, do they have to be led by a champion with the mark of CU?
whew! i know it was a little windy but thanx for reading.
The first three questions can be answered simply. Yes, Ancient Enemies counts towards LaTD armies. If you have a general with the Mark of Tzeentch, you won't be allowed to use Nurgle Daemons or models with the Mark of Nurgle.
The general of your army, even LaTD armies, is based on the following order -
Just go down the list until you find the one that matches your army. For the example you provided, the Chaos Lord would be your general and determine your Ancient Enemy.
- Chaos Lord/Daemon Prince
- Most expensive Chaos Lt (which includes the Arch Heretic)
- Aspiring Champion housing the Greater Daemon
- Most expensive Aspiring Champion
The last question is a bit more involved.
In the Unit Entries for Mutants and Traitors, there is an option to give them an Icon for a set amount of points. There is also the option to upgrade a model to either a Boss (for Mutants) or an Agitator (for Traitors).
Mutants and Traitors may not have Marks of Chaos. Only their Champions may, and the benefits of the Mark only apply to him, except in the case of the MoCU.
So, to answer your specific question - No, Mutants and Traitors do not need a Champion in order to summon daemons. Their Icon is considered to be Undivided for this purpose.
i completely missed that icon upgrade option! i'm thinking of using some plague zombies so i skipped the options, and lo: they squished it between the nade option and the flamer upgrade.