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I was triple checking my codex and discovered that rhinos have free storm bolters, and of course I always knew the Vindicators had them...but...
In both cases, they don't appear to be on the actual models, barring putting them on the pintle. So I wonder, are they fixed in a forward firing arc by default? Are they considered to be on the pintle with 360 degree fire? Generally nobody cares where the little blip of bolter fire is coming from (particularly in the case of the Vindicator), but...it bothers me.
What about if you purchase a pintle mounted storm bolter in addition to the one they already have?
the strombolter the rhino comes with is mounted on the pintle (and fired either from inside or by a crewman), if you buy ANOTHER pintle mounted stormbolter, it's fitted on the other crew-entry point,
That's why rhinos have 2 round hatches!
Still leaves me with questions...
How do you know for sure the pintle-mounted storm bolter is the free storm bolter and not just modelling for the pintle mount (man thats circular..)?
And the Vindicator only has one hatch, so how would that work?
uhm... like the tree said to the woodcutter: "i'm stumped!" someone else'll have to help u out on this one!
That's honestly the most obvious question that nobody I've ever talked to has ever thought to ask!
I've always played it as having a 360 degree arc, and so has every other Imperial player I've ever faced.
But you're right - so far as I know, there is not and has never been any official ruling on a fire arc for pintle mounted weapons!
Now the illustration for the rhino shows the storm bolter on the pintle (I think) but again, the Vindicator is the odd man out in that I don't think it shows a storm bolter in its codex illustration.
Like I said, I don't think anybody really cares where two more bolter shots are coming from when dealing with a tank, but... From a strict perspective, I'd like to know.
Yeah, I've always used the model for reference, which has it pintle-mounted. You're right that it isn't specified in the description so far as I remember, but really, where else would you mount the storm-bolter on the rhino? I'd say consider it as a pintle-mounted weapon, which has 360 degree firing arc, I believe.
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The old Rhino model had two individual bolters that were hull mounted on the front of the roof. We always played them as a hull mounted storm bolter with a 90 degree front arc. The new models have a pintle mount. It is odd that this hasn't come up before as it is a pretty straightforward issue. God knows people have a knack for finding obscure rule loopholes and arguing them to death, but I am surprised this hasn't come up before.
Just out of curiousity, whats next? Maybe you can make an issue about the fact that GW didn't define the action of 'rolling' a D6 to actually mean dropping it in such a manner as to produce a random result; thus making it perfectly acceptable to just put them down with the face up of your choice?
I'd say that the stormbolter has a 360 arc. when you get a rhino/vindicator, the only place that the stormbolter officially goes into (as per the instruction manual) are the top hatch, therefore giving it a360 firing arc.
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