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EDIT: some rough pictures - see below
I'm in the process of building a Super Heavy Land Raider (Crusader), and have created an Apocalypse Datasheet for it.
So far the few local gamers who've seen the sheet have been o.k. with both the data, and the points cost. However it hasn't been tested in any games yet.
Apocalypse Data Sheet: Land Raider Cruiser [530pts]
The Land Raider Cruiser is a Super Heavy Land Raider. Developed by the Brothers of the Dracon (Dark Angels Successor Chapter), it is designed to take tremendous punishment while it smashes though enemy defences and delivers two full squads into the heart of the enemy lines. Essentially a larger version of the Land Raider Crusader, the Cruiser has an elongated hull and larger power plant, enabling it to house extra sponsons and to carry more infantry.
• Super Heavy Tank
• BS4, Front Side and Rear Armour 14. Structure Points 3.
• 4x Hurricane Bolters
• 2x Twin-Linked-Assault Cannons
• 2x Typhoon Missile Launchers
• 1x Twin-Linked-Plasma Cannon
• Transport: 20 SM or 10 Terminators
• Assault Vehicle
• ‘Frag’ Assault Launchers (as Land Raider Crusader)
• Mine Clearing equipment (as per IG Codex)
• Access 3: Front and each side
• Searchlight and Smoke Launchers
• Power of the Machine Spirit: If the Cruiser receives a Driver Stunned result, the Machine Spirit is able to take over and the Cruiser can be moved up to 3” straight forward. If the Cruiser receives one or more Gun Crew Shaken results, the Machine Spirit can take over the firing of one of the weapons unable to fire, for the round. POTMS has BS2.
Points cost balance:
No weapon counts as Primary.
No big weapon – big blast templates
No big weapon – S8+
No big weapon – Ordnance
No big weapon – with much longer range
No secondary Lascannon type weapons.
Very slow for a transport vehicle
Transport: 20 SM or 10 Terminators
Mine Clearing equipment
Frag Assault Launchers
Power of the Machine Spirit
14 Armour all round
I'd appreciate and comment and criticism about this Datasheet.
Last edited by Lord Ramon; June 15th, 2008 at 22:07.
Looks good. Have you tried the Land Raider Ares on the Games Workshop Site under the apocalypse Datasheets section.
it has an asurd amount of weaponry, far more than double that of a land raider crusader, which makes me twitchy, it has double the carrying capacity of a LRC and 3 structure points? I think two structure points would be more appropriate unless the thing is as wide and long as a bane blade
I also think it is light on points cost, it has better BS and much better armour than a bane blade, its amount of fire power is equivalent, so I would expect this to be more round the 750 points mark
Everything you have been told is a lie!
THing is, the weapons aren't nearly as good as the Baneblades. This might be able to kill a squad a turn. The Baneblade, with it's two high-end ordanance weapons, and it being covered in other high-potency guns, has a lot more firepower. It doesn't really have anything that can effectively deal with armour, small things excepted.
This'd do nicely against Nids, or guard. But it's not much against MEQs.
I think it's a really nice idea! On the other hand, I do agree that it might be a little too low on points cost and the 3 structure points might be a bit high. Also, is it wider than a standard Land Raider - I just think that 10 terminators is an awful lot!
Nice idea, overall though!
Yeah i would have to agree.
For carrying 10 termies, or 20 marines, AND 4 side sponsons of Herricane Bolters,
But without armor punching power, and the PMS moving it only 3'', plus no main weapon, i'd remove the Asscannon off the top and move it to 540 points flat. that makes the vehicle have 0 armor pen power except on <10.
Make the TL weapons you have listed as Upgrade possibilities..without hurting carrying capacity also.
Drop the assault cannons, keep the 4x sponsons, and take it up 10 points, that's MORE than fair.
Also to balance the whole points/weapons thing, give it top doors like a rhino..
and if carrying 10 termies.. two can have the Missle launchers fire from inside the vehicle...making it an Option.
you weren't as far off as others are saying in MY OPINION, but it's something I plan on making for myself for our Apoc games... thanks.
Last edited by Shonuff; May 15th, 2008 at 00:19.
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Thanks for the feedback chaps, though I’m not sure I agree with some of it.
Cheredanine said: “it has an absurd amount of weaponry, far more than double that of a land raider crusader, which makes me twitchy, it has double the carrying capacity of a LRC”
A LRC has 2x Hurricane Bolters, a Twin-Linked-Assault Cannon and a Multi-Melta, i.e. 4 weapons. My proposal has 9 weapons, which is a little more than double, but not far more.
A LRC can carry 16 SMs or 8 Terminators. My proposal carries 20 SM or 10 Terminators, which is nowhere near double, actually being +20% transport capacity.
For 500 points I could field 2x Land Raider Crusaders, which could carry 16 Terminators to two separate locations, with 8 weapons including 2x Multi-Meltas, and the ability to choose additional weapons (Storm Bolter and Hunter-Killer Missiles). They would have the equivalent of 2 Structure points, and can move 12” not 6”, which is a major difference for a transport vehicle.
In fact this 6" move means that the troops being transported can walk at the same speed as it moves!
Structure Point 1 (SP1) means nothing, i.e. essentially all vehicles have 1 SP. SP2 vehicles cost less points, for example, the Deathrolla Battle Fortress, Pylon, Brass Scorpion, Macharius series, and the Malcador series. Three Structure Points is a critical concept for this vehicle, as it needs to survive long enough to deliver its cargo.
The model I am building is just under twice the length of a Land Raider, and much wider. This means it will be a bitch to hide behind cover, and as difficult as a Baneblade to move round terrain.
As harlequin2262 points out, the LR Cruiser has no real anti-tank weapons, and obvious has nowhere near the firepower of a Baneblade. I field my Baneblade with extra sponsons, so for 70pts more I get, 2x great Ordnance weapons, 4x Lascannons, and 5x TL-Heavy Bolters. Even at BS3, that’s what I call firepower.
Note also that if the pre-relaease 5th edition rules are correct, Rending weapons are having their anti-vehicle bonuses reduced, making the Assault Cannons less deadly.
It’s been very informative to hear people’s opinion. Most of my local players who’ve checked it out, think that maybe it’s overpriced. Once the model’s finished, I’ll get playtesting as soon as I can.
I hope more people post here too!
seems about right but maybe up the points cost about 20 points or so not an incredible amount but with home brewed veichles it's sometimes best to pay a premium for them. The weapon load out seems fair no super killy weapons so this thing isn't going to walk through any armies on it's own. Overall well made look forward to some pictures of it
I'm not sure how remedy this without screwing w/ the Super-Heavy rules, but one of the things I see that might prove problematic is the whole only moves 6" thing. I mean, really slow moving, would prove to be hugely useful in sheltering your expensive marines from all those AP3 templates flying around, but with it moving that slow, it kind of defeats the purpose of it if they manage to get a "drive damaged" result. Because if they manage to, then its for all intensive purposes immobilized, and then is just going to be a tomb for 20 marines, and ou will have just wasted ~550 pts.
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Well, I've finally finshed making it, and have just got started on the painting. It's going to take some painting, and I figure I'm only about 25% of the way in.
Overall I'm reasonably happy with the way the model came out, even the mine ploughs, which I thought might be very difficult.
The model was built from a complete L R Crusader, with alot of help from one of the nice new 40k buildings, plus other bits and pieces ordered as bits.
Underneath is the main body, tracks etc of a large toy tank. The Land Raider sits on top of this chassis.
All in, it cost me about £55 to make.
If I could afford it, I would have used two complete Crusaders and made a double hull front, and then would have been able to use both sets of hull sides too. But that was just too expensive for me... would have been nice though.
Here's some rough pics of the beast:
Last edited by Lord Ramon; June 15th, 2008 at 22:13.