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It states that you can place down 36" of fortified defence line (odd spelling in the book).
It does not need to be continuous.
BUT my question is, how wide? how tall?
Common sense? rules bound? Other teams permision?
Can I smack down a 36" long 24" high 12" deep wall of doom with large access ramps to place my guard heavy weapon teams and or tanks on?
The 36" would cover a large area. The 24" height would make it impossible to reach using anything but eldar gravtanks with upgrades (and other 36" move things), would make models on top immune to 24" weapons, while still being able to have a pretty large kill zone using 48" heavy weapons + tanks with 72" range. The only bad part would be a rather large blind spot in front. Could also have several levels, with gun holes in the wall, to eliminate the said blind spot in front. Fill every level up (or make it 8" deep) and the enemy could not deepstrike onto the wall, and would have to walk up the ramps (which would have to be quite long to make it a natural angle).. and be shot to pieces.
Enough guard hw weapons on said "wall" with the right upgrades = lots of 3+ cover saves.
Enough guard tanks on said wall = a horde of AV14 armour with a 4+ cover save.
Anyone got an idea? I mean the above example would be "cheesy" and unfair in the extreme.. (might be fun in a themed game offcourse)
But I cant find any reference to the size in the apocalypse book, the apocalypse : reload book, or in the 5th edition main rule book.
A little help please !
I'd use commen sense, the assest if granted to you by the infantry so it should IMO be enough to grant the infantry the cover save, FW have a defensieve line as part of their terrain range, I think it looks suitable in therms of size.
It's a wall, it never said anything about access ramps :-P
Although, even without the ramps, wrap that around your artillery and damn.
Though my destroyers could still get in there, or you'd get a monolith deepstruck on them.
But yeah, common sence, always repsented that with the GWS urban walls and barricades (yes, I have 36inches worth of those, shaddup, I play alot of cityfight), and razorwire.
Yes, I did deep-strike your sister...
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True I could see 36" of wall around my 7 bassies could be effective. but only if it actually was impassable to normal infantry (jump troops and such would offcourse jump it).
But again the height becomes an issue. the GW walls and barricades are so low as to allow infantry shooting over them, and also (at least in my games) count as difficult terrain.
My biggest issue with artillery is that a simple stratagem or deep striking unit of oblits/marines/dreadnoughts = death. Its come to a point where I am happy if my bassies live long enough to get a single shot of in an apoc game...
but yeh, I guess it all comes down to common sense.
So, if you can buy barricade models from GW - that's what the book's selling.
Model your "defences" along the lines of the resin barricades you see in the GW blisters.
Then, you'll be using the same size models as the devs who playtested the rules in the book.
And you may field them in good conscience without needless negotiation with "that one dubious player".
Every group seems to have one . . .
Fwiw, I built mine @2x2x6in long, and no one's complained about them, yet.
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what devs and what playtesting?!
do you realize what happens to an apocalypse game with tunnels + endless swarm?
we just ban all strats straight off the bat and only keep deployment and mission objectives from apoc the rest is just unplaybale...
Threadomancy notwithstanding: Rulebooks contain the rules. Rules sell models.
* Conversions and scratchbuilds have to include Citadel models and/or parts.
* Telling others you ignore the rulebook doesn't answer rules questions.
My answer stands - the barricade rules sell the barricade models.
Pattern any scratchbuilds after these and sprinkle with left-over bits.
And please don't resurrect dead threads just to spam them with nonsense.